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Old March 2nd, 2017, 08:01 PM   #2061
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Ansaldo Breda doesn't exist anymore, thank God (HRI is a different firm).

Maybe, Finmeccanica.

However Trenitalia has to completely reshuffle those trains, but since they're being aquired at a very low price...

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Old March 2nd, 2017, 09:01 PM   #2062
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The V250 trains were sold by AnsaldoBreda to Belgium and the Netherlands to carry out the international service Fyra.
After many problems, delays in delivery and problems in homologation, entered service on 12/09/2012 and lost the homologation on 17/01/2013, 39 days.
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NS y Finmeccanica (matriz de AnsaldoBreda) han llegado a un acuerdo sobre el futuro de los trenes V250 retirados del servicio en Bélgica y Holanda.

Ponen fin a los procedimientos judiciales y acuerdan que AnsaldoBreda devuelva 125 M € de los 213 que cobró a NS por los 9 trenes entregados (a 23,67 M € cada uno).
Así, NS pierde 88 M €, mientras que en el último informe anual calcularon unas pérdidas de 247 M incluyendo la pérdida de servicios (siguen sin trenes para su principal servicio) y el resto de costes por el desastre de los Fyra.
AnsaldoBreda se queda con los trenes, y si consigue vender alguno (¡!) devolverá a NS hasta 21 M por tren.
Mientras, continúan los litigios entre SNCB y AnsaldoBreda, también hay una investigación en marcha en el parlamento holandés, y una denuncia de NS y SNCB contra la agencia ferroviaria europea ERA.

NS compró 16 trenes V250 (9 entregados), mientras que SNCB compró 3 (ninguno entregado). Después de múltiples retrasos en la entrega y problemas en la homologación, entraron en servicio el 09/12/2012 y perdieron la homologación el 17/01/2013, 39 días. (Más en #1 )
AnsaldoBreda was bought by Hitachi.
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 01:23 AM   #2063
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The greatest benefit of Italo was to make Trenitalia less aligned with RFI and to give it a run for its money.
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 03:07 PM   #2064
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Trenitalia is buying them on the cheap, at 63% discount from stated prices for NS and SNCB.
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 03:34 PM   #2065
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Trenitalia is buying them on the cheap, at 63% discount from stated prices for NS and SNCB.
For a set of trains where each has a different build-up but none have a proven track record of reliability, that's way too expensive.

Also, I'd like to remind you that these trains can't do the job. That's why journey times between Lecce, Roma and Bari are about to increase despite the fact that several stops will be skipped.

If you had a leaky pipe in your house and I offered you a set of cheap knitting needles to fix the problem, would you be pleased? Or would you want to find a wrench instead?
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 04:33 PM   #2066
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The article you are writing about was a fake.
Trenitalia is going to buy these trains, but nobody knows when they are ready to run on the italian network , nor on which line.
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 04:46 PM   #2067
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Well, I hope they can make them function properly and introduce them on a line where they would be an improvement for the travelers. But I'm not immediately optimistic.
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Old March 4th, 2017, 02:58 PM   #2068
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AnsaldoBreda was bought by Hitachi.
AB was bought by Hitachi for 0 (ZERO) euros (still too much, IMHO), and then closed down and reopened as HRI (Hitachi Rail Italy).
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Old March 4th, 2017, 03:01 PM   #2069
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For a set of trains where each has a different build-up but none have a proven track record of reliability, that's way too expensive.

Also, I'd like to remind you that these trains can't do the job. That's why journey times between Lecce, Roma and Bari are about to increase despite the fact that several stops will be skipped.

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However Trenitalia has to completely reshuffle those trains, but since they're being aquired at a very low price...

Repetita juvant.
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Old March 4th, 2017, 08:34 PM   #2070
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This why our influence still strong on a diplomatic plan that result we can sell TGV everywhere they can afford.
I see. If it weren't for the huge French-granted loan with attached conditions (built by French companies), Morocco would have probably hired the Italians or Chinese to build their HSL + trains..
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Old March 5th, 2017, 11:33 PM   #2071
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Trenitalia: infamous V250 trains return to service on Lecce – Rome – Bari

La Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno reports: Starting next June, Trenitalia wants to introduce the sidelined V250 trainsets between Lecce, Rome and Bari. Reportedly, Trenitalia has to take-over the V250s from Hitachi Rail Italy (formerly known as AnsaldoBreda) due to “industry-political reasons” and has now selected the line where they will be operated.

Biggest issue however is that the V250s will replace ETR 485 trains with tilting technology. True, both types of trains have a topspeed of 250 km/h, but the V250s can only reach their maximum speed on the highspeed line section of the route. The ETR 485s are faster (up to 25 km/u) on the more curvy, classic lines. So, introducing the V250s means the journey times will increase (now it is 4 hours and 12 minutes). Trenitalia wants to solve this issue to call less frequent, skipping intermediate stops on the route. The trains will no longer halt at Foggia for example, you can imagine that the local politicians are furious…

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Note that trains from Rome/Naples to Bari either have to reverse in Foggia, or skip it through a chord that has recently been reactivated: https://binged.it/2mUpVtJ (the photo is not yet updated)

And Foggia is not a small city (compared to others in the region), with 150.000 inhabitants in the municipality.

I looked for some timetables, a fast train reverse there in 9 minutes, quite a low time for Italian standards (DB or SBB reverse trains in 3', sometimes).

Even cutting halts the complete trip takes some time, Rome-Lecce is around 5h30. Even skipping most stations on the same train would give a long trip for Rome-Lecce, and as there are no cities much bigger than the others on that route (except Bari, still around 4 hours from Rome today), skipping Foggia doesn't seem worth to me.
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Old March 8th, 2017, 10:12 PM   #2072
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Leaving aside the article, as it is only junk, there are only 3 Frecciargento per day from Bari to Rome. If there is the possibility to add another one, and skipping Foggia means saving 20 min., then I would say it is the case to try a Lecce-Brindisi-Bari-no stop-Rome.
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Old March 13th, 2017, 02:13 PM   #2073
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Somebody asked about the trend of air traffic from Naples to Milan - for example - in the last years.

The peak year for the connection was 2007, just before the crisis and the opening of the full HSR. At that time it was about 1,4 million. This year only 900K, and meanwhile air traffic has increased significantly (even factoring the crisis) so probably without HSR today passengers would be 1,6-1,8 million at least
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Old March 13th, 2017, 06:42 PM   #2074
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Alitalia also changed its network. It used to provide direct flights between several big Italian cities and other European capitals, it pared it down significantly and replaced them by more hub-centralized operations. For that, it needs several short flights to Fiumicino, for instance. I'd guess the overwhelming majority of air traffic between NAP-FCO are connecting passengers, for which these short flights make sense not only because of time, but also because it ties a whole trip into a single ticket.

I think only Germany has devised a strategy to seamlessly integrate high speed train rides + flights into single tickets, meaning if a train is late, the airline honors the ticket and reschedules the passenger same way with a delayed incoming flight. But, then, Fiumicino and Malpensa have poor HSR accessibility.
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The data above is Nap-Mil not Nap-Fco... it is almost entirely P2P
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Old March 17th, 2017, 05:21 PM   #2076
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Hey,

in two weeks I will travel from Milano to Verona using the new HSR Milan - Treviglio - Brescia.

Now I did some research about further construction of this HSR on to Verona and Padova.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...s-awarded.html

This article says that further construction has already been awarded.

My question: When will the "Brescia - Verona" and when the "Verona - Vicenza" High-Speed Rail be opened? Any date yet?

Thanks!
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Old March 17th, 2017, 07:39 PM   #2077
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My question: When will the "Brescia - Verona" and when the "Verona - Vicenza" High-Speed Rail be opened? Any date yet?

Thanks!

According to this http://www.larena.it/territori/citt%...06?refresh_ce# article from December 2016, first works on the 73km Brescia-Verona line *could* start later this year (2017), requiring 6 years for competition.
The line includes a 8km tunnel, which is scheduled to take 5 years for competition, works could start there first.
Initially, works should have started in 2015.

The line will end shortly before Verona. Verona itself which is hub of several lines and thus is relatively complex is not yet planned.

From Verona towards Padova ... we'll see ...
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Old April 14th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #2078
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Napoli-Afragola station, new pics:









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Old April 16th, 2017, 11:24 PM   #2079
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Old April 18th, 2017, 08:25 PM   #2080
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The max. speed in Italys High Speed Rail is currently 300 km/h.
While buying the new ETR1000 there were plans to put put the max. speed to 360 km/h between Milan and Roma.

How is this project going on?
Will there be trains running at 360 km/h in the next years in Italy, or has the plan been abandoned?
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