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Old May 31st, 2009, 05:16 AM   #461
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ahaha I saw that on the Italian thread.

You know I don't know if it'd be right to reallocate money previously allocated to the South, but for sure the Milan - Venice track is more important than the Naples - Bari one.

Anyways your post was very explanatory thanks a lot

Actually the Turin - Trieste track should have been the first built since there's a lot more traffic on this route. It's not a secret that the most highly trafficked highway is the A4 and not the A1

Anyways,
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Old July 10th, 2009, 04:55 AM   #462
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Wow... I'm so impressed. Here in Northern Europe we're so caught up in our tiny HSL additions and unimpressive station renovations that take centuries to finish, while in Italy this is going on/has existed all this time?
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Old July 10th, 2009, 02:35 PM   #463
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Old July 10th, 2009, 06:27 PM   #464
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how long will it take Milano to Rome with Full HS?
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Old July 10th, 2009, 07:00 PM   #465
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3h starting from Dec 2009. Around 2h30m after 2011, when there will be new trains and the Bologna bypass will be completed.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #466
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it should be specified that this time (2h30) regards the trip from milan rogoredo to roma tiburtina (not the main central stations).
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Old July 10th, 2009, 09:50 PM   #467
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Those designs for the Naples and Florence stations are absolutely stunning, almost in a fashion sense rather than architectural. (I mean, an argyle roof?) The only things I've ever seen that even come close are a handful of TGV stations, such as Avignon and Liege-Guillemins.

And I never knew Milan had a station that cathedral-like. What other station has that much marble in it?

Although I'm very confused as to who operates the trains and what they're called. Is it Eurostar Italia? And why are they so unknown?

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Old July 12th, 2009, 11:55 PM   #468
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And I never knew Milan had a station that cathedral-like. What other station has that much marble in it?

Although I'm very confused as to who operates the trains and what they're called. Is it Eurostar Italia? And why are they so unknown?
I'm very glad you like the main station of my city!

Eurostar is the name of the high-speed train! It is operated by Trenitalia!
In particular the so called "Frecciarossa" (Red Arrow) and "Frecciargento" (Silver Arrow) will be operated by Trenitalia with Eurostar trains!
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 05:35 AM   #469
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This thread cannot die! Maybe someone know something about the stage of the works at Bologna, Afragola, Firenze and so on...
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Old October 7th, 2009, 12:00 PM   #470
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Endless tunnels on the Bologna-Firenze HSL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df87lMB5d18
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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:34 PM   #471
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wow great video

i thought the Bologna-Firenze was two tunnels, not just one with two tracks
wouldnt this lower the speed? considering the air turbulence of two trains meeting in the tunnel?
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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:50 PM   #472
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Endless tunnels on the Bologna-Firenze HSL:
OMG
It's kinda hypnotic

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I don't think turbulence can slow down the trains
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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #473
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I don't think turbulence can slow down the trains
not slow them down per se, but limit the allowed speed due to the turbulence shaking the trainsets, for example
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Old October 7th, 2009, 08:44 PM   #474
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Thanks for the video. As someone else said, it's truly intoxicating. Some people have joked about the double tunnel, but... well, it's not ideal but it is 30 per cent cheaper, and these things need to be seen in perspective.

I do have a problem, though, and it's not a new thought. I mentioned it in a posting about a year ago. The acceleration time of that ETR500 train looks obSCENE to me!? I mean, I travel Paris-Frankfurt ever so often, and the German ICE3 trains normally go from 200 km/h to 320 km/h in less than two minutes. - And that, mind you, in the windy plains of Lorraine, not in a shielded tunnel.

Are we to assume that a so-called high speed train needs 10 minutes to go from 200 to 300 km/h? Or, if not, is this video some sick joke?
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Old October 7th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #475
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it takes 4.5 minutes from 200 to 300 in the video, but thats still slow
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:33 PM   #476
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Those ETR500 encountered some problems when tested on the French HSLs. They were too slow compared to the local TGV sets and the SNCF was seing their possible arrival on "her" network has a threat for the efficacity of the French HS system.

I think a similar issue was raised with the DBs ICE3, the were a bit slower to accelerate as a TGV set. But it was not as strong and visible as with the ETR500s.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #477
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I think we don't have enough information to establish if the ETR acceleration is too low...

we don't know if the tunnel was in plane... Maybe the train was going slightly uphill!
But the most important thing is that we don't know if the driver was accelerating as fast as possible.
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Those ETR500 encountered some problems when tested on the French HSLs. They were too slow compared to the local TGV sets and the SNCF was seing their possible arrival on "her" network has a threat for the efficacity of the French HS system.

I think a similar issue was raised with the DBs ICE3, the were a bit slower to accelerate as a TGV set. But it was not as strong and visible as with the ETR500s.
The TGV has from 6.450 to 9.300 Kw and weights from 415 t to 484 t (fully loaded, except the Eurostars). The ETR500 has 8.800 kw and weights 616 t empty.

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Old October 7th, 2009, 10:45 PM   #479
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wow great video

i thought the Bologna-Firenze was two tunnels, not just one with two tracks
wouldnt this lower the speed? considering the air turbulence of two trains meeting in the tunnel?
From the "fascicolo di linea" the Bologna/Firenze is setted to a maximum of 300 kph for 70 km out of 78.
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I think we don't have enough information to establish if the ETR acceleration is too low...
No, that's a fact. See LUCAFUSAR numbers. They are a bit underpowered compared to other HST.
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