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Old November 2nd, 2009, 05:24 PM   #521
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There's much room for improvement even on those travelling times. I think what we have learned from the Italian TAV is that we should expect slow but constant improvements over the years, rather than one-off spectacular inaugurations as it happens elsewhere.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 11:44 PM   #522
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As you guessed, works are still in progress in Bologna (and in Firenze they are still struggling over different solutions for the new station, only preliminary works were made so far....).
A similar situation can be found in Turin. A four-track underground line towards Milan is in construction (two tracks opened few days ago), meanwhile long distance and commuter traffic share the two track currently operating. Hence the need for somewhat "relaxed" paths.....
Besides this, if my memory don't fails me, Bo-Fi HSL is temporarily operating at "just" 250 kph top speed, although being built and tested for 300.
According to the "fascicolo di linea" (a "book" that contains all the informations about the italian railway lines-there's a "fascicolo di linea" for every italian railway line) by R.F.I. (Rete Ferroviaria Italiana), the maximum speed limit on the Bologna/Florence AV/AC line is 300 kph. However I also think that the speed limit will be 250 kph in the first period after the opening. The speed limit will be subsequently increased.

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Old November 5th, 2009, 10:07 PM   #523
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There's much room for improvement even on those travelling times. I think what we have learned from the Italian TAV is that we should expect slow but constant improvements over the years, rather than one-off spectacular inaugurations as it happens elsewhere.
It seems clear to me. Imagine that when they opened the Roma-Napoli the train did the line in 1:35 minutes. From December it will be 1:10. I am sure it can be further improved to 1:05 next year...and this is only an example
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Old November 15th, 2009, 02:37 AM   #524
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Today the last piece of Roma-Napoli HSR line has been opened. The first trip (with the president of the republic on board) was only 58 minutes long

Trains will connect Rome to Naples from december in 1:10 hours.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 02:09 AM   #525
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NTV vs TAV Travel Time

Do you think, that NTV thanks to newer and much more progressive rolling stock will be able to offer considerably lower travel times than FS TAV? When I see up shown travel times I begin to fear that NTV could acquire signifficant speed advantage over TAV by faster acceleration and deceleration of AGV.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 02:49 AM   #526
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it depends by RFI (Rete rerroviaria italiana, the company that owns the national railway infrastructure), which decides the time of the trips.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 07:44 PM   #527
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La Rochelle gets a makeover in preparation for AGV series phase

After the launch of finishing on the first AGV cars ordered by Italian operator Nuovo Trasporto Viaggiatori (NTV) in mid-July, and in preparation for the pre-series phase, Alstom is reorganizing its site at La Rochelle, France.
At the end of August, some 60 personnel out of 280 working on the project moved to a new dedicated NTV platform, established near the production line to facilitate communication among the various project contacts. Two offices have also been set up directly alongside the line. The working space is organized around the line, with five new meeting rooms and a lounge. Bicycles have been made available for easier access to all areas.

The approval tests led on the AGV prototype in Velim, Czech Republic, are now done. The train passes for a few weeks through La Rochelle to be equipped before leaving by November for on-track tests in Italy. The first of 25 AGV trainsets ordered by NTV in January 2008 should finish production in the fall of 2010, after a pre-series phase during which the operator’s chosen options will be tested under real conditions on a primary unit.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 07:56 PM   #528
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Do you think, that NTV thanks to newer and much more progressive rolling stock will be able to offer considerably lower travel times than FS TAV? When I see up shown travel times I begin to fear that NTV could acquire signifficant speed advantage over TAV by faster acceleration and deceleration of AGV.
I think the 'race' will be on the lowest fare

Anyway Trenitalia is going to buy newer trainsets for its HS... after NTV will be on the market though
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Old November 26th, 2009, 01:45 PM   #529
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I have my doubts about price competition in high-speed rail traffic. Sure, the rail companies will sell some tickets months ahead of departure for a knock-down price, but they take the bulk of their earnings from business travellers and wealthy individuals who don't care much about the money.

This is at least the experience here in France. The TGVs (which are, however, becoming increasingly popular as a "symbol of France"....) are not much used by the poorer half of the population, and were initially derided as the "train des millionaires" or "train des senateurs". Put simply, when ordinary people travel on vacations or to visit family or friends then they do so by car. The marginal price of putting a child into a car is... zero. A TGV ticket costs money. So... the TGVs are a plaything of the wealthy, the ones for whom the company pays and, OK, the odd tourist and single traveller.
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I have my doubts about price competition in high-speed rail traffic. Sure, the rail companies will sell some tickets months ahead of departure for a knock-down price, but they take the bulk of their earnings from business travellers and wealthy individuals who don't care much about the money.

This is at least the experience here in France. The TGVs (which are, however, becoming increasingly popular as a "symbol of France"....) are not much used by the poorer half of the population, and were initially derided as the "train des millionaires" or "train des senateurs". Put simply, when ordinary people travel on vacations or to visit family or friends then they do so by car. The marginal price of putting a child into a car is... zero. A TGV ticket costs money. So... the TGVs are a plaything of the wealthy, the ones for whom the company pays and, OK, the odd tourist and single traveller.
I think competition will be about the service, the punctuality, the time offered...and prices (mainly offers...including offers for families)

More or less as for Airplanes. Of course since they will be two they will have some incentives to be - well - polite in their competition (no "railways" ryanair is about to appear)

Anyway in France you have a state monopoly: soon we will not have it anymore, that makes THE DIFFERENCE. you do not have a market. Ours is the first experiment of a real HSR free market in Europe, let's see how it goes. We are on uncharted territories
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Old November 27th, 2009, 08:49 PM   #531
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From the Italian SSC forum: photos of the ETR600 Frecciargento interiors (1st class).

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Old November 27th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #532
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I like that! A clean and simple design. I have a big problem with railway companies that paint plastic like wood and/or pretend that vinyl is leather. The interior of this train is minimalistic, sure, but it has nice pure lines and an unpretentiousness that I, for one, really appreciate.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 02:00 PM   #533
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Tunnel entrance on the new Bologna/Florence TAV line, which will be opened on december 13th. This line is 78 km long and 73 km out of 78 are in tunnels.

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 05:48 AM   #534
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(sorry for the white balance in my two pics )
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 01:38 PM   #535
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interesting how the swiss used tbms and different tunnels for the directions, while this whole section for the italians is just one tunnel with two tracks
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 03:55 PM   #536
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(sorry for the white balance in my two pics )
Why? They're o.k.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 04:07 PM   #537
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From the Italian SSC forum: Trial runs on the Bologna/Florence TAV line with ETR500Y (2 locos and 8 carriages) diagnostic trainset.

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 07:03 PM   #538
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Is the tunnel a 4-track one from beginning till end? or do the 2 outer tracks merge?

Btw I love the new ETR-500 colourscheme.. the red touch is stunning!
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:52 PM   #539
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tracks merge after few hundreds meter
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I thought the new bored HS tunnels were all supposed to be separated single tracks? My Swiss friends have been tooting in my ears about this being safer than two-way tunnels. But, enfin, perhaps the Swiss are just silly?
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