ITALY | High Speed Rail

[joseph1951]

I do not know of a 3rd about this thread. Incidentally what do you mean about 3rd? 3rd page?

[Wilhem275]

Originally Posted by joseph1951

The Italians have spent a huge amount of money to buidl three miserable high speed lines and, so far, the results have been quite disappointing. As a matter of fact, in Italy, in the past 15 years, the rail service has greatly deteriorated.

Actually, no HSLs have been completed, so the results are still to come!

[Augusto]

In the 90' a new service had been lauched between Lyon (France) and Milano through the Alps mountains. But the Italian Pendolino ETR 460 were so unreliable that they were taking more time than before. A few years later those trains have been withdrawaled.
What was wrong with them? They were quite good looking and probably the only trains in France with the spanish Talgo were cheap and good espresso was available..

[joseph1951]

The pendolinos (ETR480) used in France were subjected to maintenance problems, also they were boycotted by SNCF which prefers TGVs.

[worldwide70rm]

Here some pix of the new Pendolino (ETR 600) running between Tiburtina Station and Scalo San Lorenzo in Rome

[worldwide70rm]

Another one

[worldwide70rm]

still another one

[tneruals]

Originally Posted by joseph1951

The maximum speed for the new Italian HSL is 300km/h. In the near future the train operating max speed will be 250km/h on Milano-Bologna-Florence-Rome-Naples and on the Turin Milan lines.
The ETR500 max operating speed is 300Km/h. In commercial operations the maximum speed will be 250km/h for the time being. On a test runa it has achieved +350 km/h.

The ETR500 suffered a great deal of theething troubles, it is also heavier and more expensive than TGV and has far less power that the Frenche train.

At the moment, on the Milan Florence line the commercial speed achieved by ETR500 is only about 115 km/h. Hardly a high speed.

On the other high speed routes the average commercial speeds are:
Milan Rome 128.2 km/h.
Rome Naples 156.92 km/h
Torino-Milan -105.51
In the past, when the Florence Rome high speed line was only partially completed the commercial speed was higher.
The current commercial speed between Turin and Milan is almost equal to that achieve in 1950 with light diesel railcairs. In 1990 there were tiliting trains which were much faster.
The Italians have spent a huge amount of money to buidl three miserable high speed lines and, so far, the results have been quite disappointing. As a matter of fact, in Italy, in the past 15 years, the rail service has greatly deteriorated.

The ETR 500 top speed between Rome and Naples and between Turin and Novara (high-speed line to be completed to Milan) is 300 km/h and not 250 km/h as you mentioned. If average speeds are not very high it is because urban "penetrations" into Naples, Milan and Rome have yet to be completed. Despite the numerous construction delays, the Rome-Naples high speed line was the first in Europe to successfully implement the use of the European Rail Traffic Management System (ERTMS) of second level whereas elsewhere implementation has proven to be very difficult.

[GENIUS LOCI]

Milano-Bologna HS line. They finished the bridge on Po river

Here some pics

Originally Posted by TohrAlkimista

http://www.ferrovie.it/ferrovie.vis/...vp.php?id=2413

[Federicoft]

I'm pretty sure there was another thread on the Italian TAV.

Is it possible to merge them?

edit: probably there isn't any, so let's remember what all this is about.




The final network will be:
blue: 300+ km/h
yellow: 250 km/h

[Booze]

Roma - Firenze is 300 km/h yet?

[Coccodrillo]

Roma-Firenze is designed for 300 km/h on some stretches, but being electrified with 3 kV DC, speed limit is now about 250 km/h.

[GENIUS LOCI]

Originally Posted by Booze

Roma - Firenze is 300 km/h yet?

As Coccodrillo said 250 km/h, but it is the first HS track in Italy built in '70s

[Coccodrillo]

The Direttissima Rome-Flroence line is the first HSL in Europe, built a few a few years before the Paris-Lyon, even if it is a mixed traffic line, goods and passenegrs.

However, this line is in fact used only by HS trains, InterCity, and fast local trains, and does not have a lot of freight trains.

[Bitxofo]

Are there high speed trains leaving from Venice to Rome? How long do they take?

Grazie!

[elfabyanos]

Originally Posted by GENIUS LOCI

As Coccodrillo said 250 km/h, but it is the first HS track in Italy built in '70s

I understand that it is being upgraded to 300km/h throughout.

[elfabyanos]

Originally Posted by Bitxofo

Are there high speed trains leaving from Venice to Rome? How long do they take?

Grazie!

Fastest I found tomorrow
11:54 MESTRE
16:03 ROMA TE duration 04:09

[TohrAlkimista]

Originally Posted by Bitxofo

Are there high speed trains leaving from Venice to Rome? How long do they take?

Grazie!

Yes, there are Eurostar services...

but the network is not completed yet,



Blue: in service
Green: u/c
Yellow: to project


so the service between Venice and Rome alternates HS parts with "normal" network speeds.



For example (the shortest travel):


it lasts 4h and is served with ETR-500:

[Coccodrillo]

Originally Posted by Bitxofo

Are there high speed trains leaving from Venice to Rome? How long do they take?

Grazie!

http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/...an-network.gif

The HSL between Firenze and Bologna will open in december 2009 (probably). Between Bologna and Venezia/venice speed limit is on some parts 200 km/h.

Originally Posted by elfabyanos

I understand that it is being upgraded to 300km/h throughout.

No it isn't.

[elfabyanos]

Originally Posted by TohrAlkimista

Blue: in service
Green: u/c
Yellow: to project

I didn't know the Bologna-Verona line was u/c already!