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Old August 4th, 2010, 11:14 AM   #661
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AnsladoBreda already sends shivers down my spine since they have failed on many occasions to deliver on-time. Trenitalia really screwed themselves up and will be kicking themselves in the butt if these trains do not arrive on-time.
The trains will be made by Bombardier in the AnsaldoBreda facilities. They are not AnsaldoBreda trains.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 11:54 AM   #662
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Sure planes never need to land... :-)
Airports are similar to ports in concept: if you own a ship or a plane you can go anywhere and only mind of starting and arrival points, where ports or airports are.

If you own a train stations are your starting and arrival points, but you can't go anywhere because you have to run on an infrastructure (which someone owns and spend money for its maintanence)
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Old August 5th, 2010, 09:17 PM   #663
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New HS train for Trenitalia



http://www.apcom.net/newseconomia/20...d52_94231.html

50 new trainsets built by a consortium between Canadian Bombardier and Italian AnsaldoBreda

The trains should run at a speed of 360 km/h with a potential max. speed of 400 km/h
All the 50 trains Trenitalia is gonna buy will be built in Italy
Probably the ETR1000 ('i.e: the Bombardier/AnsaldoBreda Zefiro V300+ concept repackaged into Etr 1000) will probably have an output of 8,800 kW /t, and according to the very recent press release, "it will be able to accelerate from 0 to 360 km/h in just a little more than 9 minutes[/B]". (sic!)
It will have an acceleration of 0,6 m/s2 ,probably up to 50 kmph.

Also, it appears that this train will embody "the relvolutionary feature" of "secondary active lateral suspension" , or similar device - "which will allow the train to negotiate curves at higher speeds than conventional trains but with no increase of disconfort for passenger". (sic!)

Apparently they do not know that similar devices have been in use for sometime. Secondary active lateral suspensions are also mounted on the ETR500 carriages, and some of them have been built about 20 years ago.

Conclusion: apart for the ugly redering it would appear that there is nothing revolutionary about this expensive train.

Probably the final specs will be different than those just published.

http://www.lifeinitaly.com/news/ansa...train-contract

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Old August 5th, 2010, 11:28 PM   #664
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Concerning the renderings, according to this website , it's just a Trenitalia internal concept probably different from what the consortium proposes.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 12:01 PM   #665
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let's see how this train will be.

It's interesting to know thought that in Italy we will have a lot of new rolling stock coming in the following years, the 25 AGV and these 50 Bombardier.

that's very good news
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Old August 6th, 2010, 02:39 PM   #666
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Probably the ETR1000 ('i.e: the Bombardier/AnsaldoBreda Zefiro V300 concept repackaged into Etr 1000) will probably have an output of 8,800 kW /t, and according to the very recent press release, "it will be able to accelerate from 0 to 360 km/h in just a little more than 9 minutes[/B]". (sic!)
It will have an acceleration of 0,6 m/s2 ,probably up to 50 kmph.

Also, it appears that this train will embody "the relvolutionary feature" of "secondary active lateral suspension" , or similar device - "which will allow the train to negotiate curves at higher speeds than conventional trains but with no increase of disconfort for passenger". (sic!)

Apparently they do no tknow that similar devices have been in use for sometime. Secondary active lateral suspensions are also mounted on the ETR500 carriages, and some of them have been built about 20 years ago.

Conclusion: apart for the ugly redering it would appear that there is nothing revolutionary about this expensive little ugly monster .

http://www.lifeinitaly.com/news/ansa...train-contract
This is not the train chosen by Tranitalia.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 02:40 PM   #667
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Concerning the renderings, according to this website , it's just a Trenitalia internal concept probably different from what the consortium proposes.
Exactly.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 03:45 PM   #668
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This is not the train chosen by Tranitalia.
No the picture in the article is that of ETR500 in frecciarossa livery, but the article describes the technical specification of the new train ETR1000.

Also the article quotes Mr Roberto Tazzoli, the CEO of AnsaldoBreda.

So the report would apper to be essentially genuine.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 03:52 PM   #669
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Exactly.
So what is the train that Trenitalia wants? . This train or... What?

And why the consortium suggests a given train, and TI divulge a train with different specification, and different shape?

Who is going to benefit from publishing this image, and also specifications which are different (and inferior) from those commissioned for the alleged real train, which will be purchsed by TI?

Who is going to benefit from this type of dis-information?

Certainly not the public image of Trenitalia.

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Old August 6th, 2010, 09:34 PM   #670
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segnalare il troll

si però non è possibile che ogni pagina ci siano messaggi chilometrici e senza senso del solito troll con i suoi cloni, che tra l'altro cerca attraverso teorie assurde prese da pagine tipo wikipedia di fare flame infiniti....
questi pesonaggi vanno segnalati, perchè impediscono agli altri di partecipare alla discussione.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 10:02 PM   #671
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si però non è possibile che ogni pagina ci siano messaggi chilometrici e senza senso del solito troll con i suoi cloni, che tra l'altro cerca attraverso teorie assurde prese da pagine tipo wikipedia di fare flame infiniti....
questi pesonaggi vanno segnalati, perchè impediscono agli altri di partecipare alla discussione.
Cos'è successo? Chi è il troll?
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:43 AM   #672
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So what is the train that Trenitalia wants? . This train or... What?

And why the consortium suggests a given train, and TI divulge a train with different specification, and different shape?

Who is going to benefit from publishing this image, and also specifications which are different (and inferior) from those commissioned for the alleged real train, which will be purchsed by TI?

Who is going to benefit from this type of dis-information?

Certainly not the public image of Trenitalia.
Your previous post doesn't contain the exact technical specification of the new train. Period.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:45 AM   #673
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We're getting there. There already exist rolling stock leasing companies. Starting a company and leasing a few engines than can get from Rotterdam ll the way to the Swiss - Italian border is not a problem (there you'll soon have to put your train on a ferry if Trenitalia gets its way :-)).
There exist standards for train constuction (TSI) and signalling (ERMTS). This only needs some time.
The problem of the differing OHLE systems however has been reliably solved, and is really a non issue at the moment. All manufacturers now more or less offer multi system locomotives as standard.
There are many trains that come from the Netherlands and reach Italy (Autoslaap) and none of those trains are managed by Trenidiotalia.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 02:36 AM   #674
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Concerning the renderings, according to this website , it's just a Trenitalia internal concept probably different from what the consortium proposes.
¿?

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Old September 14th, 2010, 03:07 AM   #675
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si però non è possibile che ogni pagina ci siano messaggi chilometrici e senza senso del solito troll con i suoi cloni, che tra l'altro cerca attraverso teorie assurde prese da pagine tipo wikipedia di fare flame infiniti....
questi pesonaggi vanno segnalati, perchè impediscono agli altri di partecipare alla discussione.
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[B]Quick translation of Mr Marie-Joseph -Paul' s post:
"Report the troll


In not possible that in every page there are meaningless and a miles long meassages posted by the usual troll and his clones, a troll who - among other things - tries with absurd theories taken from wikipedia like-pages to produce endless flames".

These people must be reported because they prevents "the others" from partecipating to the discussion"
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Could Mr Marie-Joseph Paul (Lafayette ) specify the following:

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Who are "the troll and clones"?
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Who IS "a troll who - among other things"..
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"tries with absurd theories" .. Wich Ones?

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"taken from wikipedia like-pages " (WHat ?, Where? ,When?)

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"to produce endless flames". Which One, Lafayette?
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"These people" must be reported because they prevents "the others" from partecipating to the discussion"
Which people, which Others" which discussion are you referring Marie-Jospeh Paul (Lafayette)?



Apart from having posted a large number o similar albeit more abusive messages on a couple ot thread on the Italian SSC section Mr Marie Paul Lafayette has not produced any intelligent or significant or polite contribution to the italian thread.
However , after his first apperance occured a couple o weeks ago on the Italian SSC section he has enlighted the Italian mortals introducing himself by quoting the entry on the Encyclopaedia Britannica on Marie Joseph Paul Lafayettehttp://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...s-de-Lafayette
"born Sept. 6, 1757, Chavaniac, Fr.
died May 20, 1834, Paris

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French aristocrat who fought with the American colonists against the British in the American Revolution. Later, by allying himself with the revolutionary bourgeoisie, he became one of the most powerful men in France during the first few years of the French Revolution.Born into an ancient noble family, Lafayette had already inherited an immense fortune by the time he married the daughter of the influential duc d’Ayen in 1774. He joined the circle of young courtiers at the court ... (100 of 779 words)


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Welcome back the world Monsieur Lafayette!
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Old September 14th, 2010, 03:15 AM   #676
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¿?

Yes effectively the ugly rendering seems to be inspired by the Korean high speed train HEMU-400X (I think..?)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=756946&page=5
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Old September 14th, 2010, 06:21 AM   #677
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I thought it looked more akin to the Zefiro.


http://www.finmeccanica.com/EN/Commo..._Zefiro_cs.jpg


http://www.railwaygazette.com/typo3t...437a6139cb.jpg
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Old September 14th, 2010, 04:09 PM   #678
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Construction of Bologna underground station (next to the current non-HSR one) and the tunnel under the city that connects Milano-Bologna HSR, Verona-Bologna, Venezia-Bologna and Bologna-Firenze HSR

Today trains have still to manage the surface lines that are shared among all other kind of trains

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Ed eccoci nel futuro: il cantiere di quello che viene chiamato il «camerone» della stazione Av lascia senza fiato per l’imponenza. Qui, proprio sopra i palazzi di via Carracci i cui abitanti da anni protestano per polveri e rumori, siamo dentro un «bacino» profondo 16 metri: ne mancano ancora 5 e l’obiettivo è centrato. Ma dall’alto, all’inizio dello scavo, in alcuni punti si riesce a intravedere il piano-binari a -23 metri, dove è già stato realizzato il fondo.

Immagini tratte da Corriere di Bologna.it
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Old September 14th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #679
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Yes, this is the correct render.
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Yes, this is the correct render.
Yes Luca.
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