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Old December 14th, 2010, 10:41 PM   #881
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I think I understand what you mean: basically the italian HSR system is established inside the urban cores of the cities, all stations (or almost all) are the historical one interconnected with local, regional trains.

meanwhile here is the debut of "frecciarossa" on a american blockbuster...even thought frecciarossa doesn't go to Venice (frecciargento does) but well...who cares

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Debutto ufficiale di un Frecciarossa in un film di cassetta americano.
Il trailer di "The tourist"

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Old December 15th, 2010, 04:38 AM   #882
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Old December 15th, 2010, 05:42 AM   #883
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I think I understand what you mean: basically the italian HSR system is established inside the urban cores of the cities, all stations (or almost all) are the historical one interconnected with local, regional trains.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florenc...-speed_railway

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Old December 15th, 2010, 01:29 PM   #884
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What exactly you don't understand?
Well, the problem is that what you write I can only interpret in two ways. Either you're wrong, or you have serious problems with the English language.

For instance you write this:

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Non, in the central rural areas the TGV only reaches certain points, and the urban penetration is achieved using regional trains and buses (eg. TER and regional services).
This I can try to parse as: "In rural areas the TGV only stops at certain stations outside of urban areas, which are reached by regional trains and buses.
I have the impression that you are referring to stations like Avignon TGV or TGV Haute Picardie.
If so, than your statement is factually incorrect, as these stations are not in the least bit integrated in the regional train network. Even in cases where regional trains and TGVs do stop in the same station, like Valence TGV, there is little coordination of schedules.

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The TGV using conventional lines only when the HSL is connected to specific urban nodes (built in a large metropolitan area)."
So you are saying here that conventional lines are only used to reach terminals in urban areas. What about the recently reopened Haute Bugey line?
What about the TGV Atlantique services which spend more time off than on an LGV?
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Old December 15th, 2010, 01:58 PM   #885
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I think I understand what you mean: basically the italian HSR system is established inside the urban cores of the cities, all stations (or almost all) are the historical one interconnected with local, regional trains.

meanwhile here is the debut of "frecciarossa" on a american blockbuster...even thought frecciarossa doesn't go to Venice (frecciargento does) but well...who cares
Good debut... Congrats to the most beautiful trains in the world!
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Old December 15th, 2010, 04:36 PM   #886
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Well, the problem is that what you write I can only interpret in two ways. Either you're wrong, or you have serious problems with the English language.

-I am sorry about my poor English I want to improve my english in writing letters or something else...

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I have the impression that you are referring to stations like Avignon TGV or TGV Haute Picardie.
If so, than your statement is factually incorrect, as these stations are not in the least bit integrated in the regional train network. Even in cases where regional trains and TGVs do stop in the same station, like Valence TGV, there is little coordination of schedules.
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*Le Mans is very important, TGV Le Mans - Rennes direction to Brest(project) and Le Mans - Nantes


- In France, the extension of High Speed Rail network has come with the creation of new stations (TGV stations) and a diversification of territorial configurations in which the stations fit. If the reduction in travel time allowed by high speed train increases mobility and contributes to the economic development of metropolitan areas, the implications of these stations on local mobility and territorial development depend on the station’s location, in the midsized cities like Avignon (turistic area, strategic point), Le Mans (sport and turism, strategic point), Reims (turistic area, strategic point) the spatial organization is changed. The impact of HST on local mobility and territorial development differed depending on whether the metropolitan area (Lyon, Lille, Marseille, Paris etc.) is served by a central station, a peripheral one or if it is connected to the high speed rail network by both stations.
- Paris is the main "hub" in the HSR network

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Old December 15th, 2010, 05:54 PM   #887
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Old December 16th, 2010, 03:06 AM   #888
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if I am not wrong there are also some trains between florence and rome which go to Venice/Verona and do not stop in Florence

The total shall be close to 120 as I said

I counted trains on the SNCF website, it is always hard considering all possible option but honestly I cannot see how they can be more than 70-100 on the Marseille-Lyon line
Have you taken in due consideration the very fact that in France, on the Paris- Marseille HSL, SNCF runs several Duplex trains a day in double compositions? These double Duplex trains are capable of carrying about 1100 passengers,while a 10 carriage ETr500 can carry about 500-550 passengers....

Hence the 70-100 trains you conunted on the Paris -Marseille might well have the capacity of 150-220 ETR500.......

Only MM is "capable" of running 72 HSTs trains a day from Milan to Rome in order to "steal" to the aeroplane. just 3,000 passenger a day.......that is 41.6 passenger per train/ per day "stolen" from the Milan-Rome shuttle.

Marvellous achievement.....
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meanwhile here is the debut of "frecciarossa" on a american blockbuster...even thought frecciarossa doesn't go to Venice (frecciargento does) but well...who cares
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How much did TI pay in order to have sequences of ETR500 runs shown on this serial?
Have you also noticed that in the film there are scenes in which the usual posh Venetian hotel appears?
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Old December 16th, 2010, 03:35 AM   #890
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Old December 16th, 2010, 09:10 AM   #891
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How much did TI pay in order to have sequences of ETR500 runs shown on this serial?
Have you also noticed that in the film there are scenes in which the usual posh Venetian hotel appears?
much more likely the studio had to pay TI to use the train for filming
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Old December 16th, 2010, 01:22 PM   #892
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Anyway 'hidden' advertisings are generally used in these movies.

Did Trenitalia pay the production? maybe... or maybe the contrary
It's not that important and I don't see anything wrong with it
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Old December 16th, 2010, 03:09 PM   #893
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Anyway 'hidden' advertisings are generally used in these movies.

Did Trenitalia pay the production? maybe... or maybe the contrary
It's not that important and I don't see anything wrong with it
it's called product placement...but the cost of it I think on a international blockbuster is beyond the budget of a local company

Anyway either way there's nothing bad.
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Old December 16th, 2010, 05:27 PM   #894
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Where's the future HSR Milan - Genoa on the map?
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Old December 16th, 2010, 06:08 PM   #895
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Where's the future HSR Milan - Genoa on the map?
tha map has several mistakes in it. Anyway the line is not Milan-Genoa but the so called terzo valico (or third gateway) a tunnel ( or better, a series of tunnels) between Genoa and the plain of Po that will be used for passengers but mainly for freight. This will be about 50 km long and construction shall (if god wills) start early next year even thought only about 10% of the total cost has been covered with financing from the state.
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Where's the future HSR Milan - Genoa on the map?
The map shows the "priority projects" with EU countries

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Old December 16th, 2010, 06:40 PM   #897
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tha map has several mistakes in it.
So, why don't you make a map too?

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tha map has several mistakes in it. Anyway the line is not Milan-Genoa but the so called terzo valico (or third gateway) a tunnel ( or better, a series of tunnels) between Genoa and the plain of Po that will be used for passengers but mainly for freight. This will be about 50 km long and construction shall (if god wills) start early next year even thought only about 10% of the total cost has been covered with financing from the state.
Just to say that "valico" in this case is better translatedas "pass" or "tunnel", that is, a road or railway that cros a mountain range (in this case, it will the third railway crossing the mountain in the same point)

(the longest tunnel there would be around 27-30 km)
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Genoa - (Novara) Milan is part of Genoa - Rotterdam...
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Genoa - (Novara) Milan is part of Genoa - Rotterdam...
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