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Old December 19th, 2011, 09:23 PM   #1081
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Old December 21st, 2011, 12:18 AM   #1082
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Maybe foreigner people don't know it, but in Italy plenty of people are named "Italo".

"Italo" it's a common (well, not so common) first name in Italy, not only the commercial name given by NTV to its high speed service.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 09:56 PM   #1083
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Old January 26th, 2012, 02:55 PM   #1084
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Tests in the new Bologna HS tunnel and station will begin in a few days. No-stop trains will start to use them in June, while trains from Milano and Verona will be able to stop there from December. Trains to/from Padova-Venezia will not use the tunnel anytime soon because the link between tunnel and the mainline is not yet completed. This section is 13 km long, mostly underground.

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Old January 30th, 2012, 01:50 PM   #1085
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Italo has published some pics of the interiors of their trains to run from late March (Italo is the name NPV is using for its train services)

You can check them here on twitpic: https://twitter.com/#!/italotreno/me...c.com%2F8djf0i

Noteworthy:
- seat alignment, using a more airpline-style plan
- luggage lockers
- a modern and clean color scheme
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Old January 30th, 2012, 09:34 PM   #1086
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Old January 31st, 2012, 05:50 PM   #1087
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Nice pictures! Took the night train from Vienna to Italy?
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Nice pictures! Took the night train from Vienna to Italy?
yes to Firenze (Florence). Train itself was going to Rome
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Old February 5th, 2012, 02:43 AM   #1089
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Old February 5th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #1090
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Old February 13th, 2012, 06:44 AM   #1091
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500 million euro doesn't buy you 500+ state of the art passenger coaches. Such coaches will set you back something like euro 2 million a piece...
Well,OBB Railjet cost 13 million per set (loco+ 7 coach). If Siemens ES f4 U2 aka "Taurus" cost per unit 3 million (self made by OBB) every single coach cost 1,4 million. Full optional!

But Greek Railways (OSE) has ordered 79 second class open saloon passenger coaches for the Olympic Games 2004 in Athens.The carbody and the bogie have been a Siemens construction, the inside furniture and equipment has made by plans of Company Themoinsa.Cheaper yes but not bad inside.Invent Kft. an hungarian factory has modified all drawings of inside furniture for Hungarian technology, and has designed units connected to parts of coach structure.Coaches have been made in Dunakeszi (Hungary).But the carbody has been assembled in Greek with jig for assembly. Cost? 900.000 euro per coach!

2 million per coach? Maybe Alstom Pendolino or TGV.... but I don't think so...
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Old February 13th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #1092
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Well,OBB Railjet cost 13 million per set (loco+ 7 coach). If Siemens ES f4 U2 aka "Taurus" cost per unit 3 million (self made by OBB) every single coach cost 1,4 million. Full optional!
The cost was actually 12.3 million per set without the locomotive, as the ÖBB already owned those. That's 1.75 million per car. And the Railjet was in fact rather cheap. So that you can't buy 500 state of the art passenger coaches for 500 million is still not the case (ÖBB paid 540 for 44 sets, or 308 cars).
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Old February 13th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #1093
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The cost was actually 12.3 million per set without the locomotive, as the ÖBB already owned those. That's 1.75 million per car. And the Railjet was in fact rather cheap. So that you can't buy 500 state of the art passenger coaches for 500 million is still not the case (ÖBB paid 540 for 44 sets, or 308 cars).
Not without locos! Every Taurus were assembled in Graz and Wien by OBB. Not at München Allach and for 23 courses per 244 million euro. Total conception, construction the Wagenkästen and the interior arrangement become at the locations of Siemens TS in Graz too. Yes,in October 2007 of altogether 44 further courses in the total value by 540 million euro. Thus the railjet fleet will increase until 2013 on 67 pieces.

But the second line is very different from the first. Every coach were assembled in Allach the same ICE interior. The 2 class finally don't exist! Yes 1,75 official but not in sold as the ICE4! OBB spend less than DB for its train...1,45 per coach! Some sets were delivered to offer at CD in Czech Republic but were rejected. Cost very much outside Austria!
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The cost was actually 12.3 million per set without the locomotive, as the ÖBB already owned those. That's 1.75 million per car. And the Railjet was in fact rather cheap. So that you can't buy 500 state of the art passenger coaches for 500 million is still not the case (ÖBB paid 540 for 44 sets, or 308 cars).
Thank God EU wouldn't allow that. Moreover there are many foreign operators here, there is the 2nd biggest freaking world port here, you do need separate entries to take care of it.

In any case, the problem concerns more the trains than the tracks. ProRail is doing mostly ok. The problem is that mostly NS doesn't want to pay for higher trackage fees so that ProRail increases the winterization of the tracks. But NS also don't want to spend more money winterization rolling stock.

So the blame is mostly on NS.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 07:23 PM   #1095
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Thank God EU wouldn't allow that. Moreover there are many foreign operators here, there is the 2nd biggest freaking world port here, you do need separate entries to take care of it.

In any case, the problem concerns more the trains than the tracks. ProRail is doing mostly ok. The problem is that mostly NS doesn't want to pay for higher trackage fees so that ProRail increases the winterization of the tracks. But NS also don't want to spend more money winterization rolling stock.

So the blame is mostly on NS.
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Not without locos! Every Taurus were assembled in Graz and Wien by OBB. Not at München Allach and for 23 courses per 244 million euro. Total conception, construction the Wagenkästen and the interior arrangement become at the locations of Siemens TS in Graz too. Yes,in October 2007 of altogether 44 further courses in the total value by 540 million euro. Thus the railjet fleet will increase until 2013 on 67 pieces.

But the second line is very different from the first. Every coach were assembled in Allach the same ICE interior. The 2 class finally don't exist! Yes 1,75 official but not in sold as the ICE4! OBB spend less than DB for its train...1,45 per coach! Some sets were delivered to offer at CD in Czech Republic but were rejected. Cost very much outside Austria!
I'm having a bit of trouble parsing what you write above. Have you just passed a German text through a machine translator?

Anyway if by "44 courses" you really mean "44 consists" I have to repeat that the consists we are talking about are just the cars. The locomotives ÖBB already had. So that is 540 million for 44 X 7 cars. You do the math.

The Railjet orders were carriages only.
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Thank God EU wouldn't allow that. Moreover there are many foreign operators here, there is the 2nd biggest freaking world port here, you do need separate entries to take care of it.

In any case, the problem concerns more the trains than the tracks. ProRail is doing mostly ok. The problem is that mostly NS doesn't want to pay for higher trackage fees so that ProRail increases the winterization of the tracks. But NS also don't want to spend more money winterization rolling stock.

So the blame is mostly on NS.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #1098
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HSL costs

Dear all,
can somebody recommend me where I can find any information regarding construction cost of HSL in Italy, in particular I am looking for such information for:
1. Rome-Naples HSL
2. Turin-Milan HSL
3. Milan-Bologna HSL

I am making research, but it is very difficult to get needed info.

Thank you in advance!
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Sorry, I answered on the wrong thread...
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I'm having a bit of trouble parsing what you write above. Have you just passed a German text through a machine translator?

Anyway if by "44 courses" you really mean "44 consists" I have to repeat that the consists we are talking about are just the cars. The locomotives ÖBB already had. So that is 540 million for 44 X 7 cars. You do the math.

The Railjet orders were carriages only.
K,

This article should give you an idea of the Railjet cost:





CD takes on ÖBB's unwanted Railjets
Monday, October 03, 2011

CZECH Railways (CD) has placed an order for 16 230km/h push-pull Railjet trains from Siemens, taking over an option from a contract originally signed with Austrian Federal Railways (ÖBB). The deal is worth around Euros 200m and deliveries will begin in 2013, with all 16 of the seven-car sets due to enter service by 2014.


ÖBB ordered an initial batch of 23 Railjets worth Euros 244m in February 2006, and in September 2007 awarded Siemens a second contract for 44 trains. However with its financial position deteriorating, ÖBB opted last year to reduce the total number of sets on order to 51, 40 of which have been delivered so far.

CD confirmed last December that it was interested in taking on the redundant trains, and a deal was announced in June. However, the signing of the contract was delayed by a legal challenge from Škoda, which argued it was able to offer CD an alternative train that was both less costly and of comparable quality. Last month the Czech Office for the Protection of Competition (UOHS) ruled in favour of CD, allowing the order to proceed. CD insists it has negotiated "favourable terms" with ÖBB, and that the procurement was based on negotiated procedure without publication, a practice that complies with Czech and European law.

Each Railjet is 185.5m long (without a locomotive) and comprises six intermediate cars and a driving trailer. The ÖBB trains each accommodate 316 economy passengers, with 76 in first and 16 in premium class. CD plans to deploy its trains on international routes, and domestically on the Brno - Prague - Ústí nad Labem corridor, with power provided by Škoda-built Class 380 multi-system locomotives.

http://www.railjournal.com/newsflash...jets-1339.html
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