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Old March 30th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #1181
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Can't be worse that US passenger rail network. Very slow speeds, delays, poor frequency, crappy infrastructure etc. Even the Acela HSR line is slow.
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Old March 30th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #1182
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I'd say the main problems of the Italian railways are old and degraded rolling stock, terrible customer service, rigid fare structure, poor integration with other public transport systems, poor timetable planning, decaying medium and small stations, declining investments on minor lines.
Punctuality is not really a problem in my experience, although of course people tend to be very sensitive about it. Speed and frequencies are generally pretty good, even on many non-HS lines.
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Old March 30th, 2012, 10:22 PM   #1183
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Any chance Italian high speed rail service can pull off what German ICE might be able to do and negin direct link to London?
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Old March 30th, 2012, 10:29 PM   #1184
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Frequencies .are often acceptable (but not to German or Swiss standards), but trains lack coordination (trains A-B and B-C miss each other for 5 minutes).

Then there are many holes, sometimes quite absurd. Between Pescara and Foggia there are no trains between 6.35 and 12.38, then there is one every hour until 20.51. That because the 6.35 train is a regional one stopping everywhere, the others are long distance trains coming from the north (Torino/Milano/Bologna) that reach Pescara in the afternoon. In the other direction the last fast train leaves at 16.45.
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Old March 30th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #1185
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Our rolling stock is composed of locomotives(mostly diesel ones) with bulky designs.

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Old March 31st, 2012, 12:47 AM   #1186
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Why do you say this? The public transport network in most cities might not be the densest or the most efficient, but public transport in Italy has always been heavily subsidized by the state and local governments. Regional trains, buses, trams or metros are very cheap compared to most of Europe.
They are heavily subsidized, true, but the resulting service levels are often way below what similar levels of subsidies achieve elsewhere. That because there is no competitive tendering. That is changing however.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 03:23 PM   #1187
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Old April 17th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #1188
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Italo has finally started selling tickets! First train runs Apr. 28th
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Old April 19th, 2012, 11:33 PM   #1189
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Oh nice, just viewed the Alstom Megafactories NGC-broadcast about the construction of the NTV-AGV's and was wondered about the state of the service.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #1190
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Italo has finally started selling tickets! First train runs Apr. 28th
Good to hear that

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Oh nice, just viewed the Alstom Megafactories NGC-broadcast about the construction of the NTV-AGV's and was wondered about the state of the service.
That broadcast was quite interesting, wasn't it.
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 12:15 AM   #1191
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 10:27 AM   #1192
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Italy launches Europe's first private high-speed train
Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 13:19 by AFP
http://www.mmail.com.my/story/italy-...gh-speed-train



A photographer takes a picture of a train of the railway company NTV on
April 20 at Rome's Tiburtina station. NTV, the first private operator on the
Italian high speed rail network, makes his first trip between Rome and Naples on April 20. AFPpic


NAPLES, Italy: Italy launched Europe's first private high-speed train service last week, as the country looks towards the more liberal economy that Prime Minister Mario Monti wants to put on the rails.

The dark-red bullet-shaped "Italo" trains are run by NTV, a company headed by Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo who wants to take a quarter of the market from state rail network Trenitalia, the biggest employer in the country.

"Italo has arrived, the competition has kicked off," NTV told its first passengers on an inaugural trip from Rome to Naples as they admired interiors that included a cinema carriage, leather seats and panoramic windows.

The project is one example of the new ambitions of the eurozone's third largest economy under Monti, a former EU competition commissioner who plans to shake up a sluggish economy heavily influenced by protectionist traditions.

Economics professor Monti came to power in November replacing Silvio Berlusconi and has said he wants to take on "vested interests" as well as calling for large-scale privatisations.

"We're talking a lot about growth. This is real growth for the country by someone who invests and takes a risk," Montezemolo told reporters, pointing out that the company had invested one billion euros (RM4 billion).



Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, president of the railway company NTV walks
into a wagon prior to departure on April 20 from Rome's Tiburtina station. AFPpic

"We should be proud of being the first in Europe with a private high-speed train company," said the entrepreneur, who has struggled for years to get the project up and running, condemning Trenitalia for its obstructionism.

"This is a day that shows we have confidence in our country," he said.

France's national rail company SNCF owns a 20-per cent stake in NTV but the majority is held by a consortium of Italian businessmen including Montezemolo and Diego Della Valle, the billionaire head of luxury shoemaker Tod's.

The carriages are produced by French company Alstom.

"Our aim is to take a 20-25 per cent stake of the market by 2014," transporting nine million passengers within three years, Montezemolo said, adding that the company would operate 25 trains by January 2013.

"Consumers have already benefited from the beginning of competition. Trenitalia has lowered its ticket prices and improved the service," Marco Ponti, a professor of transport economics in Milan, told AFP.

"Italo" hopes to gain a competitive advantage with a system offering passengers cut-price tickets by booking early or travelling at off-peak times.

But Ponti warned that the nascent competition may be too "uneven."

"This is a dwarf against a giant. Trenitalia owns the railway, the stations, the waiting rooms, everything," he said.

"The economy is not very favourable with the crisis," he said, adding: "Montezemolo can go bankrupt, Trenitalia can't. It's a state company."

Italy's economy entered recession in the second half of last year and the government this week warned that the situation will worsen, with a forecast contraction in gross domestic product (GDP) of 1.2 per cent this year.

Ponti warned that the economic outlook could bring Trenitalia and NTV together with a deal "that would destroy healthy competition."

"What we need is a third player," he said.

The head of Trenitalia, Mauro Moretti, played down talk of a bitter rivalry saying this was "a new, unique challenge ... in the interests of our clients."
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 11:10 AM   #1193
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"Italo has arrived, the competition has kicked off," NTV told its first passengers on an inaugural trip from Rome to Naples as they admired interiors that included a cinema carriage, leather seats and panoramic windows.
Although it's true it has many windows, half of the seats are placed near the walls between windows, without any view...
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 08:01 PM   #1194
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So how does private train company in Italy work? do they share tracks with the state owned rail company?
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 08:12 PM   #1195
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So how does private train company in Italy work? do they share tracks with the state owned rail company?
In Italy, infrastructure and vehicle operation are separated.

RFI owns tracks and some stations (not the biggest ones). Companies (such as Trenitalia, Trenord, NTV-Italo) tun trains over RFI's tracks.
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 08:14 PM   #1196
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Yea so they do share the track with state run Trenitalia?
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 09:55 PM   #1197
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Yes of course. As in most countries almost all tracks are government owned.
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 11:56 PM   #1198
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Very nice train. When will it start running between other cities?
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 12:58 AM   #1199
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To Salerno this summer, to Venice in October, to Turin in December.
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MAny people forget the high-speed line goes actually to Salerno, and not Napoli.
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