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Old January 17th, 2013, 02:52 PM   #1301
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I am looking forward to the day Americans eventually pronounce foreign names right.
I am looking forward to the day when you'll be able to distinguish between Brits and Americans.

(hint: no Americans to be heard in that CNN report)

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Old January 18th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #1302
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And no British accent either...
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Old January 20th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #1303
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Fail.

Thats an English accent dude, no mistkin' it.

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Richard Austin Quest (born 9 March 1962) is an English journalist and a CNN International anchor and reporter based in London. He anchors Quest Means Business. In addition to anchoring the five-times-weekly business program, Quest hosts the monthly program Business Traveller.[1] He formerly anchored the monthly show Quest and the daily show CNN Today which was geared towards morning audiences in Europe.

Quest is a native of Liverpool, England, having been born and partly raised there. He was educated at the state comprehensive Roundhay School in Leeds, followed by Airedale and Wharfedale College and University of Leeds, where he studied law, taking his degree in 1983 (Law LLB Hons.), and was called to the Bar.[1] He had already gained broadcast experience when he spent the 1983–84 academic year at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. As news director for campus radio station WRVU, he built the reporting staff from scratch.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:06 PM   #1304
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Have you ever seen his shows? Annoying drivel.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:02 AM   #1305
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And no British accent either...
double fail, the chick is british too.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:24 AM   #1306
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Have you ever seen his shows? Annoying drivel.
Not denying that, no I haven't seen his show but that clip is enough to grasp he's not worth listening to. Any Brit on a US news channel is a moron (Piers Morgan).
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 01:10 AM   #1307
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double fail, the chick is british too.
Bist eh der Tollste.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 01:24 AM   #1308
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Bist eh der Tollste.
Thank you, Captain Obvious!
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Old February 20th, 2013, 08:48 AM   #1309
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Hello,

is there any news about the new ETR 1000 trains? have they already been seen on test runs? How many trainsets are already built?

And most of all: When will the first train be in service? Wasn't the schedule that they get into service in 2013?

Thanks for any information!
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Old February 20th, 2013, 02:33 PM   #1310
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They're built by AnsaldoBreda and Bombardier, so if results from the past with the IC4, the V250 and the Talent 2 serve as clues: I would say test drives in 4 to 5 years followed by years of further misery.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 07:08 PM   #1311
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They're built by AnsaldoBreda and Bombardier, so if results from the past with the IC4, the V250 and the Talent 2 serve as clues: I would say test drives in 4 to 5 years followed by years of further misery.
Sounds like good news for Italo...
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Old February 21st, 2013, 02:48 PM   #1312
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They're built by AnsaldoBreda and Bombardier...
Well, that remains to be seen : SNCB and NS will most probably refuse the
V250 trainsets (SNCB gave AB 3 months to make the trains compliant, but
already leased the replacement equipment for 6 months, which shows that
hopes are very thin) and that will automatically bring AB into bankruptcy.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 05:04 PM   #1313
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The faster AB goes bankrupt, the better. The latest scandal with Gothernburg trams just got to be one of the biggest scams in European rolling stock history. An entire fleet of new trams rendered junk after only a few years of use
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Old February 21st, 2013, 05:09 PM   #1314
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AB is mounting a legal defense that the problems of V250 are due to an "Act of God", since all feasible and conceivable testing was done in that climate chamber in Wien and on long-run tests in Czech. So they are not willing to let SNCB go.

However, they are dead-mute about when V250 will be put back to service, after that previous twitter affair.

I think the V250 will prove valuable on service A pity neither Trenitalia nor Italo bought any
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Old February 21st, 2013, 09:45 PM   #1315
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I think the V250 will prove valuable on service A pity neither Trenitalia nor Italo bought any
Trenitalia would probably agree that it is a pity that Italo didn't buy any. Italo however is probalby quite happy that Trenitalia keeps buying from Ansalado...
What happens with Ansaldobreda is to be seen. Aparently Hitachy is interested in buying it.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 01:26 PM   #1316
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They're built by AnsaldoBreda and Bombardier, so if results from the past with the IC4, the V250 and the Talent 2 serve as clues: I would say test drives in 4 to 5 years followed by years of further misery.
Nope! The ETR1000 trainsets are V300+ Zefiro. They are designed by Bombardier, and the train components are produced in Germany by Bombardier companies /subsidiary.

These trains are only assembled in Italy by AnsaldoBreda (AB).

AB will also fit the seats and perhaps the floorcarpets.

Hopefully, AB workforce has been provided with the right screwdrivers..
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 01:33 PM   #1317
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Italians are great at mechanical stuf, but their electronics, quality control and organisational skills are lacking.
If Ansaldo was in a state just like Lamborghini just prior to the takeover by Audi, i.e. financially shaky, but no other major issues, I would attempt a takeover. But given the current state both AnsaldoBreda and Finnmechanica are in, if I was Hitachi I would think twice.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 01:42 PM   #1318
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Nope! The ETR1000 trainsets are V300+ Zefiro. They are designed by Bombardier, and the train components are produced in Germany by Bombardier companies /subsidiary.

These trains are only assembled in Italy by AnsaldoBreda (AB).
Like I mentioned before: Bombardiers Talent 2 isn't exactly flawless either and this the first incarnation of the Zefiro for the European market. It seems that except for Alstom all the other major (west) European manufacturers seem to have issues in one form or another lately with their current product range.

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Old February 22nd, 2013, 02:16 PM   #1319
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If Ansaldo was in a state just like Lamborghini just prior to the takeover by Audi, i.e. financially shaky, but no other major issues, I would attempt a takeover. But given the current state both AnsaldoBreda and Finnmechanica are in, if I was Hitachi I would think twice.
Hitachi is taking it's time. There is going to a big market for Class 2 HST's in Europe, and Hitachi has a good product there with it's A-Train. This train already runs successfully in the UK. SBB is ordering Class 2 HST's and I can see NMBS and NS (and even Fyra) order such sets too in the near future. But that would mean that Hitachi should indeed stay aways from Ansaldobreda. That brand is done.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 02:49 PM   #1320
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Like I mentioned before: Bombardiers Talent 2 isn't exactly flawless either and this the first incarnation of the Zefiro for the European market. It seems that except for Alstom all the other major (west) European manufacturers seem to have issues in one form or another lately with their current product range.
Well all new trains have teething problems which are usually solved over time. A train platform evolves over time , see for instance the TGV paltform , the ICE1, and then the ICE2, then the IC3 for Germany, for Spain, Russia, China, and finally the E320 for for the Channel Tunnel services. Bombardier needs to have a High speed platform for the European market, and it might not be a good idea to have TI and AB as partners in this venture.


I am sure Bombardier will try to do its best, but what about Mr Moretti?

Anyway, the technical specifications advertised by Ansaldo Breda a TI for the Zefiro V300+ , alias ETR1000 are:

Initial acceleration: 0.7 m/s2, (..but up to what speed?. Up to 40 km/h.)
Top speed in commercial revenue: 360 km/h
acceleration from 0 to 360 km/h: 9 minutes (540 seconds)!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weight 500t , passenger 462 (if I remember correctly)
Power 9800 KW
Power to weight ratio: 19.6kw/t
So it is heavier and accelerates slowlier than its competitors, which have been on the market for sometime. ( About 20 years..)

Its motorized bogie weighs 9t, and that of the AGV weighs 5t.


According to the published data to carry one passenger it takes more than 1 ton of train.


Wikipedia , Italian edition:

This is the italian version of the story: apparently the ETR100 has been already built in 2010, and it has been in service from the beginning of 2013.


The size of the carriages are not known, but in the article it is stated that an 8 carriages ETR1000 carries 600 passengers.


http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treno_FS_ETR_1000


This link relates to the FS News:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treno_FS_ETR_1000

The title of this article is: Frecciarossa 1000: "A technical jewel made in Italy"and then it continues with " the most beautiful train in the world.."

Apart form the nauseating propaganda, in the article you will also find the technical details of what it is modestly described as " the most beatiful train the world" that according to FS propaganda has already entered in service in 2013 at 360km/h commercial speed, and with 400 km/h top speed.

And the sad story is that a lot of Italians believe this to be true.

Wikipedia article, English edition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frecciarossa_1000

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