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Old March 27th, 2013, 05:25 AM   #1341
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Old March 27th, 2013, 06:10 AM   #1342
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Ohhh it's the CRH380D, wonderful.


Quite astonishing that they based a new 380 km/h model on the same 'platform' as the old CRH1 which was actually based on the Regina, which only did 180-200 km/h.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Zefiro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railways_CRH1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_(train)

Nice evolution, from 200 to 380 km/h.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #1343
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I like this brand new Frecciarossa

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Old March 27th, 2013, 02:18 PM   #1344
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Ohhh it's the CRH380D, wonderful.


Quite astonishing that they based a new 380 km/h model on the same 'platform' as the old CRH1 which was actually based on the Regina, which only did 180-200 km/h.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Zefiro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railways_CRH1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_(train)

Nice evolution, from 200 to 380 km/h.
No, not quite. The 380D is designed for higher speeds and I /think/ is a Bombardier solo project. The new Frecciarossa is a tandem project between AB (shudder) and Bombardier, I believe it's only meant to run at 300 km/h (perhaps 350?)
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Old March 27th, 2013, 03:15 PM   #1345
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Someone here who was in Pistoia yesterday and had the oppurtunity to take some pictures of the V250's over there?
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Old March 27th, 2013, 03:37 PM   #1346
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Old March 27th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #1347
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Now that AnsaldoBreda has recovered its credibility as a train manufacturer, hopefully better days are ahead for V250.

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The comlaints have started already. Some people like to pick on details or design choices that don't affect objective comfort measures:

"the windows are not aligned with seats"
"they didn't have many compartments"
"the small hatch-like window on the driver's cabin is too ugly and disruptive"
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Old March 27th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #1348
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Now that AnsaldoBreda has recovered its credibility as a train manufacturer ...

Did it?
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Old March 27th, 2013, 06:06 PM   #1349
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The comlaints have started already. Some people like to pick on details or design choices that don't affect objective comfort measures:

"the windows are not aligned with seats"
So according to you being able to look outside has no impact whatsoever on comfort? Why not get rid of windows altogether then?
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Old March 27th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #1350
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No it didn't. That AB can reliably assemble a train designed by someone else, under tight supervision, was already known. Ask Stadler.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #1351
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Actually Breda was the train manufacturer of these two amazing world's champion high speed trains of the past...

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Old March 27th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #1352
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Stop trolling.


They have assembled one train for another company, and there is NO proof this train won't fall apart either.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 07:34 PM   #1353
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Now that AnsaldoBreda has recovered its credibility as a train manufacturer, hopefully better days are ahead for V250.

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The comlaints have started already. Some people like to pick on details or design choices that don't affect objective comfort measures:

"the windows are not aligned with seats"
"they didn't have many compartments"
"the small hatch-like window on the driver's cabin is too ugly and disruptive"
How anyone can take you seriously, I just don't know

Also, comfort is never objective, c'mon now
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Old March 27th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #1354
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So according to you being able to look outside has no impact whatsoever on comfort? Why not get rid of windows altogether then?
Different argument. The ETR1000 isn't he train with biggest windows, but is has enough light entrances from every side.

When you travel on high-speed trains, it is usually actually very tiring to look out as the imagery of the surroundings goes too fast for the human eye to process (hence the "blurred" feeling of looking on the close area near a flying train).

So ETR 1000 do have plenty of windows. Just not one perfectly aligned with every seat (but, again, other great high-speed trains like the Thalys' TGVs and the ICEs don't either).

Trenitalia had preferred to order reciprocal facing seat cars, but now the trend is moving in the other direction, as people more and more travel with computers/tablets, and want some tray to rest them over.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #1355
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Actually Breda was the train manufacturer of these two amazing world's champion high speed trains of the past...
No, it isn't. Unfortunately the old Breda doesn't exist anymore. It was merged with its competitor Ansaldo and put under control of the State.

The awful quality of AnsaldoBreda trains is probably a result of a corrupted politics, that has been playing for years with the state-controlled companies
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Old March 27th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #1356
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When you travel on high-speed trains, it is usually actually very tiring to look out as the imagery of the surroundings goes too fast for the human eye to process (hence the "blurred" feeling of looking on the close area near a flying train).
Ah yes, that's why you can only see a blur when you look out the window of an 850 km/h jet.


Oh wait... looking at the distance, and the view is not blurred at al


STOP trolling.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #1357
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In any case, having a big window perfectly aligned with every seat is not something essential like heating, noise insulation, travel information monitors etc.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #1358
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How about waiting few years until this new train has proved itself in commercial operations before claiming that AnsaldoBreda can make something of quality again?
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Old March 27th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #1359
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Now that AnsaldoBreda has recovered its credibility as a train manufacturer, hopefully better days are ahead for V250.
It's a Bombardier project. More or like the Stadler Flirt built by AnsaldoBreda for Italy.

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The comlaints have started already. Some people like to pick on details or design choices that don't affect objective comfort measures:

"the windows are not aligned with seats"
"they didn't have many compartments"
"the small hatch-like window on the driver's cabin is too ugly and disruptive"
It's always nice to see that what you like is obejctive and important, what you don't like or don't care is an unimportant detail...
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Someone here who was in Pistoia yesterday and had the oppurtunity to take some pictures of the V250's over there?
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