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Old March 29th, 2013, 04:46 AM   #1361
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nice 400 km/h train, RIP Pietro Mennea
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Old March 30th, 2013, 10:45 AM   #1362
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The first Frecciarossa 1000 by Ansaldo Breda.
Now start the test and the 2014 Milan - Rome in 2 hours and 15 minutes compared to 3 today. Can 'get to a maximum speed of 400 km / h but the speed' commercial 'of 360 km / h:
Hold on man, you're completely mistaken. The train will allow in a far to come future to run from Milan to Rome in 2h15m. But as today this is just a dream. The Rome - Florence highspeed tracks have a speed limit of 250 km/h. The Florence highspeed crossover works, including the highspeed station designed by Norman Foster, are stuck due to legal troubles concerning materials disposal.

So until 2020 at best trains will continue stopping in Santa Maria Novella where they must invert course.

Once opened the Florence highspeed tracks will allow to gain 15 minute from the present travel time.

There's still a lot to come before trains will run from Rome Tiburtina to Milan Rogoredo in two hours and fifteen minutes.
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 08:59 PM   #1363
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Platform height controversy delays arrival of Italo on the Adriatic line

ItaloTreno had signed a protocol with the regions concerned to start operating a partially high-speed service Milano-Ancona, travelling till Bologna on the HSL and then going on the Adriatic line (non-HS but heavily upgraded).

The proposal is to operate 6 daily runs connecting Ancona (endpoint), Rimini and a couple other cities with Bologna and Milano with a single-seat ride and - more importantly - with much more comfort than the combination of crappy-ish regional trains + high-speed with transfer in Bologna.

However, there was a quagmire: Rimini platforms are too low to allow the operation of the AGVs. ItaloTreno offered to pay for the costs of raising them 30cm, less than € 800.000 worth of works. However, there was no provision on RFI rules to allow an interested party to pay directly for an improvement on station or tracks that would allow them to use them. Even if they wanted to donate (not just anticipate trackage and path fees in natura) the whole work (raising the platforms in Rimini is already part of the long-term investment plan there anyway).

Long story short:

- Italo trains will start operating only from December (instead of June) 2013
- Trenitalia launched a new "freccia" train (not sure if frecciabianca or frecciargento) covering the same area, preempting the competition
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Old April 4th, 2013, 09:22 AM   #1364
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Hey,

is there currently any major project of new High Speed Rail in Italy? I know there is something going on in Firenze, but apart the Torino-Napoli-Salerno railway? Will there be any further HSR? Any new upgraded line for Fast trains?

Thank you!
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Old April 4th, 2013, 01:51 PM   #1365
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The Treviglio-Brescia HSL (25 kV AC, ETCS) is under construction since little time and should open before 2020 (Milano-Treviglio is already in operation under 3 kV DC).

The Fréjus base tunnel (Lyon-Turin) might be constructed - but who knows?

Also some service tunnels for the Brenner base tunnel (BBT) are under construction.

I would not bet on the opening of these two tunnels before 2030, although the second one is more likely to be built.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 03:34 PM   #1366
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Hold on man, you're completely mistaken. The train will allow in a far to come future to run from Milan to Rome in 2h15m. But as today this is just a dream. The Rome - Florence highspeed tracks have a speed limit of 250 km/h. The Florence highspeed crossover works, including the highspeed station designed by Norman Foster, are stuck due to legal troubles concerning materials disposal.

So until 2020 at best trains will continue stopping in Santa Maria Novella where they must invert course.

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Once opened the Florence highspeed tracks will allow to gain 15 minute from the present travel time.

There's still a lot to come before trains will run from Rome -Tiburtina to Milan- Rogoredo in two hours and fifteen minutes.
According to the original plan, the underpass in the Florence area will have speed restrictions of 70 km/h under the new Florence railway station, and of 60 km/h near Campo di Marte whilst, at present, the crossing of the florentine area allows a top speed of 115 km/h from Firenze Castelli to Firenze Campo di Marte.


At present the Milan- Central Rome- Termini non-stop service does not stop at Florence SMN station, therefore it does not revert it course in the Florence area.


The future underground crossing will be only a few hundred yards shorter than the present crossing but the top speed will be halved. Therefore it is very difficult to foresee a time reduction of 15 minutes.......

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Old April 15th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #1367
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Calatrava Bridge and new HS Trains station in Italy in Reggio Emilia.
Highway A1 Milan - Naples



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-u-ykfE7rE
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 11:24 AM   #1368
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Someone here who was in Pistoia yesterday and had the oppurtunity to take some pictures of the V250's over there?
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Detail of a case of electric trains V250 FYRA Dutch railways in working in the workshops Ansaldo Breda.

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Cockpit still incomplete electric trains High speed railway V250 FYRA Antilles. Pistoia 06/04/2013

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 01:34 PM   #1369
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That brake lever continues to look weird to me. Also the cockpit arrangment isn't even close to the EUDD-PLUS recommendations, even though that was originally intended. For instance the traction/e-brake controller should be on the left and ep-brake controller on the right.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 02:35 PM   #1370
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Cockpit still incomplete electric trains High speed railway V250 FYRA Antilles. Pistoia 06/04/2013

Is that Comic Sans????
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:12 PM   #1371
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Is that Comic Sans????
Looks like it is.

It reads "Please don't touch it".
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:19 PM   #1372
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Figures they don't want anyone touching it... it might break :P


Anyway, you can't possibly keep defending AnsaldoBreda now that we know they use Comic Sans!
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 04:02 PM   #1373
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Anyway, you can't possibly keep defending AnsaldoBreda now that we know they use Comic Sans!
I agree that is not the best display of professionalism.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 06:12 PM   #1374
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Someone here who was in Pistoia yesterday and had the oppurtunity to take some pictures of the V250's over there?
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I agree that is not the best display of professionalism.
Due to A public visit to the factory workers have put that sign to avoid damage. In fact the dashboard is covered by scotch
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 06:42 PM   #1375
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I rode on the new section on my trip to Italy between Venice and Rome and the bulk of it is like going in a giant subway tunnel for miles and miles underground which was kind of boring. But the trains where packed with people which was a good sign.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 09:33 PM   #1376
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I rode on the new section on my trip to Italy between Venice and Rome and the bulk of it is like going in a giant subway tunnel for miles and miles underground which was kind of boring. But the trains where packed with people which was a good sign.
do you mean between Bologna and Firenze?

Amazing stuff, isn't it? Too bad only the Swiss get credit for the Gotthard project. I think the new tunnels under the Apennines are equally impressive due to their challenging geology, seismic activity and extreme water pressure.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:36 PM   #1377
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I rode on the new section on my trip to Italy between Venice and Rome and the bulk of it is like going in a giant subway tunnel for miles and miles underground which was kind of boring. But the trains where packed with people which was a good sign.
Yes, between Roma and Bologna there are almost half the kilometers underground. Exspecially between Firenze and Bologna, where of the total 78 km, 73,3 are underground.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 11:12 PM   #1378
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Some statistics:

Tunnels between Bologna and Florence:

Bologna underground section ~5000 (from main station)
Pianoro 10843
Sadurano 3859
Monte Bibele 9243
Raticosa 10436
Scheggianico 3556
Firenzuola 15280
Borgo Rinzelli 717
Morticine 693
Vaglia 18716

A total of 73343 m excluding Bologna city tunnel (73 km out of 78).

The summit of the line is inside Raticosa tunnel.

Main tunnels between Firenze and Rome:

San Donato 10954
tunnel chain before Arezzo ~7500
Castiglione 7391
Orte 9371 (Y-shaped, including an underground junction)
Sant'Oreste 5710 (part of a tunnel chain of more than 15 km underground)

Tunnels between Carnia and state border near Tarvisio:

Campiolo-Monte Palis 5575
Zuc dal Bor 9222
Le Piche/San Rocco 4057
San Leopoldo 5716
Malborghetto 8067
Camporosso 6934
Tarvisio 1052
Leila 3269

43892 m in 54,6 km

The tunnels between Andora and Bordighera (Genova-Ventimiglia-France line) account for around 30 km in 48 km (of which one of 13,1 km, including San Remo underground station, and many of ~3 km). Another planned section should have ~25 km underground in ~32 km (longest tunnel over 10 km). This means 55 km in tunnel out of 80, but I don't have exact figures.

The Genova-La Spezia, Bologna-Firenze (non-HS) and Napoli-Reggio Calabria also have many long or consecutive tunnels, but none over 10 km (except one of 18,5 km on the Bologna-Firenze, second longest for many decades after the Simplon Tunnel, also half in Italy).

(by the way, I never imagined I would have liked one post from Suburbanist written in the rail forum, one day!)

For some statistics look here: http://www.lotsberg.net/ (lengths on that site are usually quite correct, but planned opening dates often are not)
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 11:29 PM   #1379
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Excellent post

By the way I have a feeling that Italian high speed rail system has attracted comparably little attention outside Italy. People write a lot about Spain and France, but there has been a lot of progress in Italy as well.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #1380
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A couple of pics of Reggio Emilia HS station (aka Stazione Medio Padana)

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