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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:04 PM   #121
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Nice train!
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Old December 4th, 2008, 04:36 PM   #122
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New Inauguration

Within ten days it will be inaugurated the new High Speed Railway between Milano and Bologna (200 km).
During the commercial service, the train will reach the maximum speed of 300 km/h.
In the meantime, during a test on the Bologna-Firenze High Speed Railway (78,5 km), that will be inaugurated next year and that runs for about the 90% in tunnel, another ETR500 has reached the speed of 340,2 km/h. Not bad for a very antiquated and bankrupt train, as someone supports in these pages.

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Old December 4th, 2008, 05:48 PM   #123
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Great news! Does anyone have an updated map of Italian High-Speed lines?
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Old December 4th, 2008, 06:22 PM   #124
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Here:

http://www.ferroviedellostato.it/cms...a_Velocita.pdf


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Old December 5th, 2008, 12:33 AM   #125
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Milano Central Station

And this is the "New" Stazione Centrale di Milano, where will arrive the ETR500

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Old December 5th, 2008, 12:48 AM   #126
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I would like to add that the offer of Trenitalia will change dramatically with the opening of the MIlano-Bologna AV line, basically starting the core of the AV project in Italy.

There will be a train every 30 minutes between Rome and Milan, with some trains reaching Naples and Turin as well. Trains will take only 3:30 minutes in some cases between Rome and Milan. Between Rome and Genoa, Bari, Venezia and Verona there will be faster trains taking 3:59 minutes. This is by no means final, still many pieces are missing from the project (the Novara-Turin line, The Bologna-Firenze line and the last 20km of the Rome-Naples line)

Anyway, Italy (actually a fairly long country) will finally shrink in size!
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Old December 7th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #127
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ETR500 Frecciarossa @ 300 km/h on the new AV Milano-Bologna route.

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Old December 9th, 2008, 04:40 PM   #128
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Etr 600 Freccia argento

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Freccia Argento (sito Trenitalia) e a Lodi (Trainzitalia, nick: Alex)

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Old December 9th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #129
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Wow, I didn't know Italian trains were so fast, I thought they drove just 160 km/h (which still wouldn't be bad).
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Old December 9th, 2008, 05:05 PM   #130
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Why 160? Lol. You concentrate too much on highways. :P

Anyway it's a big problem. They should absolutely invest much more on advertising, set some useless speed record and things like that.
Everybody knows France for its high speed trains for instance. We are spending dozens of billions € in one of the biggest high speed lines project in the world and hardly anyone knows anything about it, not even our neighbours (and I suspect many Italians don't know anything either).
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Old December 9th, 2008, 05:37 PM   #131
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Why 160?
I thought the average speed was even lower. Once I was looking at some HSLs, and their average speeds seemed to be just about 140 km/h. A funny thing on the Trenitalia website is that by all intl trains between Italy and its neighboring countries they put a pic of a Slovenian pendolino, which doesn't even run in Italy any more.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 09:02 PM   #132
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Old December 9th, 2008, 09:55 PM   #133
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Does anyone know what this construction is to the south of Bologna? It looks suspiciously like a new railway line is being constructed.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=44.4561151...16&l=0&m=s&v=1
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Old December 9th, 2008, 10:21 PM   #134
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That's the Bologna-Florence HSL, due to open in December 2009.
From that point on the railway will run underground through the city centre in a new tunnel which is u/c along with a new HS station and will be completed in 2012. Until then trains will run on the old line through Bologna.

http://www.italferr.it/cms/v/index.j...003f16f90aRCRD

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http://www.italferr.it/cms-file/alle...odoBologna.pdf

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Old December 10th, 2008, 12:27 PM   #135
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Old December 10th, 2008, 02:08 PM   #136
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I thought the average speed was even lower. Once I was looking at some HSLs, and their average speeds seemed to be just about 140 km/h. A funny thing on the Trenitalia website is that by all intl trains between Italy and its neighboring countries they put a pic of a Slovenian pendolino, which doesn't even run in Italy any more.
Average speed is one thing, top speed is another, commercial speed one more. Top speed reached on our AV lines is about 360Km/H. Commercial speed on new AV lines is pretty much everywhere 300Km/H, which is the speed the train maintains after leaving station and before reaching next. Consider it as the 130Km/h speed limit on highways.

Average speed is not used usually to measure AV lines. Average speed is actually the time it takes to travel between 2 stations divided per the distance. This of course is lower than commercial speed because of acceleration, deceleration and the pieces of urban railways which usually are not AV (for example Milan). Average speed on Milan-Bologna is theoretically about 200 km/h (65 minutes to cover 220km)

That said...average speed on highways is not 130km/h: to go from Milan to Bologna it doesn't take one and half hour for the same reason as for the train: you have to get in and out the city. So the average time is about 2 hours and 20 minutes (with no traffic problems of course). The average "highway" speed between the 2 city center is then about 100km/h

I hope that's clear
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Old December 10th, 2008, 03:47 PM   #137
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Not only that, even on high speed lines actual speed of train varies quite a lot because of track configuration (hills etc). Especially evident is that on Paris-Lyon TGV track. And as I noticed even on Firenze-Roma line, where Pendolinos rarely reach maximum speed 250 km/h.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 04:04 PM   #138
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Firenze-Roma was designed for a maximum speed of 250 km/h

It was the first HSR stretch in Italy (and in Europe) built in '70s
Now there is a project to upgrade it to allow 300 km/h speed
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Old December 10th, 2008, 04:04 PM   #139
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Today NTV (Nuovo Trasporto Viaggiatori) spa, which will be a private competitor with national railways (TrenItalia) on HS stretches, presented its own train: Alstom NGA





http://www.ntvspa.it/en/nuovo-traspo...ly-description







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news broadcasted by Italian network
looks fantastic
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Old December 10th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #140
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Now there is a project to upgrade it to allow 300 km/h speed
A project? I thought the upgrading was already u/c!

In 2009 the fastest milan-rome train will take 3 hours, and in 2012 when bologna's hs station will be finished?
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