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Old August 12th, 2014, 06:42 AM   #1661
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So does anyone know the status of the Firenze TAV Station, the Napoli Afragola, Station, and the Diretissima upgrade?
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Old August 12th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #1662
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Direttissima? Never heard of an upgrade of it....
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Old August 12th, 2014, 11:23 PM   #1663
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I have heard of some plans to convert it to 25 kV AC, but I think they have been dropped, it is not worth it. The Direttissima* on some sections is designed for 300 km/h, but not many.

*Florence-Rome in this case, but the same name is used for the fast lines Bologna-Florence and Rome-Naples built in the 1930s (which on some sections have a very high design speed for the time, around 180 km/h)
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Old August 13th, 2014, 11:08 AM   #1664
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Direttissima? Never heard of an upgrade of it....
I don't know how official this was, but in the old days when the lines were under construction the Italian railway company FS had posted on its website plans and progress on every line. An upgrade of the Diretissima was among the projects listed - but without a timeline. It looks like it has been discretely dropped/postponed.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 11:13 AM   #1665
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There's no project ongoing now, because there's no much need of it.

That railway is still very much used by 3kV trains (between Roma and Orte, Arezzo and Firenze). Moreover, only some stretches of it may be easily upgraded, and the cost isn't worth it. There would be a very small improvement in the timetables and an umbearable rising in costs and maintainance works (both for trains and railway)...
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Old August 29th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #1666
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From Rail Journal:

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Agreement signed on HS links to Italian airports
Friday, August 29, 2014



OPTIONS for improving high-speed rail links to Italy's most important airports will be examined in more detail following the signing of an agreement between Italian State Railways (FS) and the Italian Ministry of Transport on August 26

Under the deal, which was signed in Rimini by transport minister Mr Maurizio Lupi and FS CEO Mr Michele Elia, options will be presented to the government by the end the year for new high-speed connections to Rome Fiumicino, Milano Malpensa, and Venice Tessera based on projected passenger demand at these airports

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Old August 30th, 2014, 02:36 PM   #1667
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Malpensa should be a relatively simple case
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Old August 30th, 2014, 04:12 PM   #1668
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The cabinet on Friday approved sweeping measures to revamp Italy's judicial, political and economic systems, including the government's so-called 'Unblock Italy': projects across the country regarding motorways, train network, airports, metro lines, and so on.

High speed rail network


Among big projects (360km/h) AV/AC
(1)* Turin - Lyon (France)
(2)* Naples - Bari
(3)* Milan - Genoa
(4)* Brescia - Padua
* Palermo - Messina - Catania (250 km/h)

map show some significative projects
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Old August 30th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #1669
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Is there really any construction at all between Naples and Bari? I see this constantly in new and old maps, but seems to me just a fantasy at the moment.
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Old August 30th, 2014, 06:46 PM   #1670
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Is there really any construction at all between Naples and Bari? I see this constantly in new and old maps, but seems to me just a fantasy at the moment.
Plans there are for a mix of improvements on the existing line and some new sectors, not a fully new high-speed line.

Some projects have been completed already over there, albeit slowly.
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Matteo Renzi launch new government website about reforms passodopopasso.italia.it
Here the map of current projects "Unblock Italy".

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Old September 1st, 2014, 04:34 PM   #1674
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Which ones of these are actually railway related? Alta capacità is a pretty general term...
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1, 2, 6, 17 and 19 are railway related.

But I think that 6 won't be "high speed", but just a normal railway.
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Which ones of these are actually railway related? Alta capacità is a pretty general term...
Alta capacità = high capacity railway. It generally means 200 km/h maximum speed.
Alta velocità = high speed railway.
However, many of those in the map are actually highways (autostrada and superstrada) and airport upgrades (aeroporto).
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Old September 1st, 2014, 04:47 PM   #1677
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1, 2, 6, 17 and 19 are railway related. But I think that 6 won't be "high speed", but just a normal railway.
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Same for 19: they'll probably settle for a 220 km/h railway, because it crosses dense areas and therefore needs to stop every 30-50 km. So the stretches aren't long enough to reach higher speed.
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Will they?

I knew that Brescia - Padova stretch was part of the HSL Torino - Venezia, already completed between Torino and Treviglio.

Hence designed for 300 km/h.

But I may be wrong: I haven't really read much about it lately.
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Milano-Venezia will be completely high-speed

http://www.rfi.it/cms/v/index.jsp?vg...003f16f90aRCRD

http://www.rfi.it/cms/v/index.jsp?vg...003f16f90aRCRD
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Milano-Venezia will be completely high-speed
We don't know: there is still no definite project between Verona and Padova and it will very likely stop in Vicenza too. The piece from Padova to Venice is already completed and its speed is 220 km/h.

Of course we'll have to wait to see the completed project to draw conclusions, but I think it's very unlikely they'll make a high-speed railway for these reasons.

EDIT:

Verona - Padova is an old project. According to the latest news articles, the line will cross Vicenza next to the old one and it will have a new train station in West Vicenza, next to the Fiera. I don't like the new station outside the centre, but that's what they'll probably do, unfortunately

http://www.vicenzareport.it/2014/07/...tta-vicentina/
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