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Old December 14th, 2008, 02:53 PM   #161
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Two trains on the Milano-Bologna during the testing runs.

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bel video di marcia parallela sulla milano-bologna (230 vs 300 km/h)

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Old December 14th, 2008, 03:02 PM   #162
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The Milano-Bologna HSL has entered into commercial service this morning.



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Old December 14th, 2008, 05:30 PM   #163
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Congrats, beautiful trains.
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Old December 14th, 2008, 07:54 PM   #164
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Nice trains, but ugly seats.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 01:26 AM   #165
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Nice trains, but ugly seats.
More than the seats themselves, I don't like that brown colour.
Although they're new, this way they doesn't seem very...clean.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 01:33 AM   #166
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Other pics of Milano Centrale

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stamattina ho accompagnato la ragazza a fare il first certificate all'atahotel executive, e seguentemente (con l'abusata scusa del 'tanto č qui vicino') ho fatto con lei un salto alla stazione centrale e ho scattato alcune foto.

si comincia con una inquadratura abusata, ma d'obbligo per illustrare l'impressione della galleria delle carrozze finalmente (quasi) del tutto sgombra:




ed ecco le rampe mobili degli ellissi in funzione! naturalmente un bel giro non me l'ha levato nessuno!



l'atrio e le biglietterie...








il tabaccaio ha guadagnato una rutilante insegna rossa...




la galleria di testa.






i tabelloni (quando spariranno quelli vecchi ci sarā una fantastica vista dal piano binari alla galleria di testa attraverso gli arconi!)




e infine i marciapiedi per servizio AV (niente treni purtroppo, ma si intravede un cisalpino etr470 nella seconda)



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Old December 15th, 2008, 02:15 AM   #167
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I like the contrast old/new of the new Milano station....but the trains are the bad contrast I think...maybe when arrives the new AGV Italy will can fight with other countries in HST...

Also I have a dubt...Is this the same train that the Renfe HST S114??? its very similar...




Renfe S114:


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Old December 15th, 2008, 03:06 AM   #168
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More than the seats themselves, I don't like that brown colour.
Although they're new, this way they doesn't seem very...clean.
they are almost 20 years old...they have been under a restyling. Actually inside they are very roomy and nice, much better than TGV and ICE IMHO. Probably you cannot fell that from the pictures.

And outside the Frecciarossa is very nice...but I guess it's a matter of taste

The new trains from Alstom will be instead for NTV the competitor of Trenitalia. Italy will be the first country with a private HSR company challenging the former private monopolist.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 08:05 AM   #169
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Also I have a dubt...Is this the same train that the Renfe HST S114??? its very similar...
Yes.

But the italian version is a tilting train, the spanish one doesn't tilt.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 10:54 AM   #170
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they are almost 20 years old...
Not at all... the old ETR 500 are these ones



While 'new' ETR 500 are in line since the beginning of 2000



...they just choose awful seats
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Old December 15th, 2008, 11:42 AM   #171
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Genius they just changed the loco...but the wagons are the same ones.

I don't find seats ugly, maybe it looks so from the picture. I have travelled many times on them and they are nice and cozy. The table in the middle, in a nice wood material, is much better than the usual plastic stuff you get on trains or airplanes. And the bathrooms (which were the weak point of the pre-restyling ETR500) look like something from a stylish bar.

finally, what you see in pictures is the second class. First class and business areas are so confortable that there is no comparison with any other train I have travelled with in Europe
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Old December 15th, 2008, 11:50 AM   #172
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amazing, so now, we can go from Milano to Roma in using the High speed train during all the journey?
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Old December 15th, 2008, 11:59 AM   #173
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Genius they just changed the loco...but the wagons are the same ones.
I think you miss my point

They restyled this ETR 500 version (politensione)

From this...



...to this



While old version of ETR 500 (monotensione), wich is the train you say has 20 years of 'life', hasn't been renewed (I don't think they use it in the future for new HS links)

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Old December 15th, 2008, 12:01 PM   #174
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amazing, so now, we can go from Milano to Roma in using the High speed train during all the journey?
Not yet: next year they will open the last piece which is the Bologna-Firenze. This HSR is a fantastic engineering work, basically almost uninterrupt succession of 80km of tunnels betweent the 2 cities. Only the tunnel under the channel is comparable. Unfortunately it will not beat the world record since they are basically 5 different tunnels with few hundreds meters (sometimes few meters) open air in between. This line will cut almost 30 minutes more between Rome and Milan

But that's not all: in 2011 also the new HSR connection under Bologna should open, a 15 km tunnel which will bypass the city and connect the 2 HSR line Milano-Bologna and Bologna-Firenze. By then (hopefully) also the new HSR underground station of Bologna should open. This link should cut 15 minutes between Rome and Milan so it's an important piece of the project too.

So if everything goes according to plans, it would be possible in 2011 to connect Rome and Milan in 2 and half hours no stop. And that year the NTV - the private competitor of Trenitalia - will start its operation. So Italy may find itself suddenly on the forefront of HSR in europe
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Old December 15th, 2008, 12:06 PM   #175
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wahou great, thanks for the summary
maybe the train will reach brussels so i could go to milano in HSR directly,
is there a connection from Milano to the france to connect the HSR in italy with Paris?
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I think you miss my point

They restyled this ETR 500 version (politensione)

From this...



...to this



While old version of ETR 500 (monotensione), wich is the train you say has 20 years of 'life', hasn't been renewed (I don't think they use it in the future for new HS links)

Maybe I am wrong but I am quite sure: they changed just the loco between monotensione and politensione...the wagons (the 12 wagons after the loco) are the same ones...20 years old more or less. They were extremely good wagons so they are still up to date.

Trenitalia bought some years ago new locomotives for all ETR500 because of the decision to make new HSR lines at polytension instead of the normal monotension which we have in Italy
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wahou great, thanks for the summary
maybe the train will reach brussels so i could go to milano in HSR directly,
is there a connection from Milano to the france to connect the HSR in italy with Paris?
You don't wanna go there...we have been discussing a HSR link between Turin and Lion for quite a VERY long time...there are issues on the alpine valleys which do not want the line but they seem on the point to be fixed. Anyway we will not see HSR opened before 2025...my forecast.
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ok, so wait and see
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Old December 15th, 2008, 12:50 PM   #179
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Maybe I am wrong but I am quite sure: they changed just the loco between monotensione and politensione...
I knew they refurbished the wagons

Anyway by my personal experience, on old TGV interiors are quite ugly and dirty as they're the original ones, while on 'new' duplex TGV are very good
If I'm not wrong there was a refurbishment program for TGV old version trains
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Maybe I am wrong but I am quite sure: they changed just the loco between monotensione and politensione...the wagons (the 12 wagons after the loco) are the same ones...20 years old more or less. They were extremely good wagons so they are still up to date.

Trenitalia bought some years ago new locomotives for all ETR500 because of the decision to make new HSR lines at polytension instead of the normal monotension which we have in Italy
30 trainsets are brand new, including wagons.
30 trainsets have new locos and refurbished wagons.
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