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Old February 26th, 2015, 10:49 PM   #1801
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I think we could see Lyon and Torino-Milano becoming more integrated, a bit, due to improved high-speed rail links. It will also put both Italian cities within reach of Paris by high-speed rail.
Wow, lyon and Milan... I doubt we will ever see much traffic there. Milan and Zurich yes, but Milan and Lyon?

Paris will be anyway too far I think
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Old February 26th, 2015, 11:35 PM   #1802
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The line is expected to open in 2028, reducing Lyon – Turin journey times from 3h 30min to 1h 47min.
Actually, there are just 3 passengers trains a day (per direction) on the existing line, none of which goes to Lyon itself (just to Saint Euxpéry airport on its way to Paris).
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Old February 27th, 2015, 01:15 AM   #1803
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Now, it's very possible that once the line will be open (in 2028!!!) we will have trains running Lyon-Turin-Milan. Maybe we could even have Marseille-Lyon-Turin-Milan services decently interesting, on top of the Paris-Turin-Milan

But a bit of math tells me anyway Milan-Paris (by far the most interesting connection) will be something close to 4 hours, 4 hours and 30 minutes. In my opinion, too much to be competitive with planes
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Old February 27th, 2015, 03:11 AM   #1804
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Nah, 4:30 is still within the range to compete with planes. You won't be much faster going by plane as you'll have to go to the airport at least one hour early (cautious people tend to be there even earlier), be on your way to the destination, have your stuff collected and make it to the city again.
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Old February 27th, 2015, 09:48 AM   #1805
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But a bit of math tells me anyway Milan-Paris (by far the most interesting connection) will be something close to 4 hours, 4 hours and 30 minutes. In my opinion, too much to be competitive with planes
Knowing that all railway stations are in the city centers and that you are free to arrive to the station 5 minutes before your train departs, in my opinion up to 5 hours it may still be competitive.
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Old February 27th, 2015, 11:43 AM   #1806
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Knowing that all railway stations are in the city centers and that you are free to arrive to the station 5 minutes before your train departs, in my opinion up to 5 hours it may still be competitive.
A lot depends on how well the high speed system is integrated in the rest of the network too. Not everyone starts in a major city. If the transfer local train -> HST -> local train is smooth then train becomes even competitive where travel time goes to 8 hours. Even more so if the train service is frequent and easier to fit your schedule around.
Trains connect areas, not points. Don't forget that...
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Old February 27th, 2015, 11:49 AM   #1807
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But a bit of math tells me anyway Milan-Paris (by far the most interesting connection) will be something close to 4 hours, 4 hours and 30 minutes. In my opinion, too much to be competitive with planes
And a bit of geography tells me that the line is not just going to link Milano to Paris. It is also going to like Torino to Lyon, Milano to Lyon, Chambery to Paris, Paris to Torino, and further: Lyon to Bolonga, etc...

This has potential. If done right.
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Old February 27th, 2015, 02:45 PM   #1808
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Old February 28th, 2015, 12:52 AM   #1809
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Trains connect areas, not points. Don't forget that...
Actually no. Trains run from station to station just as aeroplanes fly from airport to airport. This is precisely what you dispute, a point-to-point service. Areas are only served by all sorts of road traffic.
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Actually no. Trains run from station to station just as aeroplanes fly from airport to airport. This is precisely what you dispute, a point-to-point service. Areas are only served by all sorts of road traffic.
A "point to point" service where the service starts within walking distance of my door. And ends within walking distance of most of the places I want to go to. I don't see air offering anything near that. And I don't see many air services with intermediate stops either. That is the advantage of trains: One service can serve a many destinations. And with network integration the number of potential destinations increases.
An interchange station where the Geneve - Grenoble - Valence line crosses the future HSL for example would multiply the number of destinations this HSL serves. Imagine being able to get from Geneve to Torino in two hours...
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Old March 11th, 2015, 05:52 PM   #1811
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NTV to increase capital and buy new trains?
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FOLLOWING recent discussions between the board of Italian open-access high-speed operator NTV and trade unions, the operator has hinted at several reforms to achieve its goal of breaking even by 2020, including a capital increase of €70-100m and the purchase of six to 10 new high-speed trains

The company's new CEO Mr Flavio Cattaneo, who took on the role on February 26, has made it a priority to tackle the company's €675m debt through a new 2015-2020 development plan

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Old March 12th, 2015, 11:28 AM   #1812
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Nah, 4:30 is still within the range to compete with planes. You won't be much faster going by plane as you'll have to go to the airport at least one hour early (cautious people tend to be there even earlier), be on your way to the destination, have your stuff collected and make it to the city again.
Well, in many airprots they close registration to airplane 1 hour before departure. So you have to be at least 1,5 hours before departure. Take in mind all luggage problem, queques and all that BS. I'd prefer train with cool views from the window. Take in mind delays, bad weather etc. etc. in airports.
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 05:51 PM   #1813
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Highspeed Railwaly Station 'Mediopadana' in Reggio Emilia



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Old March 23rd, 2015, 11:46 PM   #1814
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Interesting design but I think it does not fit into surrounding at all. Much too artificial.
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 11:51 PM   #1815
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Interesting design but I think it does not fit into surrounding at all. Much too artificial.
What surroundings? It is an exurban stations, close to a freeway and some industrial parks.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 12:50 AM   #1816
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And quite a lot of greenery. That's why this wavy structure doesn't fit here at all. A standard boxy design would fit better IMO.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 12:53 AM   #1817
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And quite a lot of greenery. That's why this wavy structure doesn't fit here at all. A standard boxy design would fit better IMO.
Then, if they built a design like this in the middle of the city, other people would complain 'it doesn't fit the historical styles of the area'

Where should post-modern, delocalized-style stations be built then?
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Old March 26th, 2015, 08:21 AM   #1818
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IMO the new Reggio Emilia looks great from the outside at least. If the surrounding area was all green then the combination was great I think, fits into nature. But yes if to take a look from google maps then a lot of industrial surroundings can be seen. The station itself could make the surrounding area attractive for developers, also I can see a suburban line crossing the place. Maybe we will see some development in near future.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 02:43 PM   #1819
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MEDIOPADANA - REGGIO EMILIA by giuliano_bianchini, on Flickr


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Old March 26th, 2015, 03:55 PM   #1820
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Apparently (i do not have data) it is also a success in terms of passengers: it's a station in the middle of the countryside, mostly accessible just by car and within an area devoid of big cities. But with plenty of small cities.

The number of trains making their call there has increased: it's a very confortable way for them to go to Rome, Florence, Naples and very competitive with airplanes.

Other similar "suburban" stations are planned on the italian network: Vesuvio Est in southern Campania and Napoli Afragola, which though sits in the middle of a very densely packed metro area but will have similar philosophy.
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