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Old December 15th, 2016, 05:07 PM   #1921
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Milan-Venice for sure, they confirmed it. It will also work well on other mixed routes like Bolzano-Verona-Rome and Venice-Rome
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Old December 15th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #1922
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And maybe some services from North West to the east coast, like Torino-Milano-Ancona.
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Old December 15th, 2016, 05:22 PM   #1923
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BTW, why did they call it "Pendolino" if it's a non-tilting train?
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Old December 15th, 2016, 06:50 PM   #1924
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AGV is a superior product to this faux Pendolino!
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Old December 18th, 2016, 07:18 PM   #1925
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Hi!
The european timetable changed on December 11 and there were promises that on some part of the Italian high speed network the Vmax will be raised from 300 to 350 km/h.
They tested the new Frecciarossa trainsets and reached a new speed record but no further news regarding to this speed raising.
I would like to ask if it means they will only make these changes on the next timetable change date or is there any other possibility?
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Old December 18th, 2016, 07:33 PM   #1926
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They're still testing and doing improvement works. Some parts may be raised from 300 to 320 with no engineering work, but I reckon they won't do it unless all HS network is updated.
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They should aim for 110-115 min non-strop travel time between Roma Tiburtina and Milano Rogoredo in the long term, between high-speed tilting trains, faster traffic on tunnels etc.
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110 min means 300 km/h of average and commercial speed.

Impossible.
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110 min means 300 km/h of average and commercial speed.

Impossible.
274 actually.

Notice I'm not referring to Roma Termini - Milano Centrale.

I'm counting on works to speed up the Diretissima Roma-Firenze to 350km/h, the completion of the new tunnel and station at Firenze C. Marte, and tilting high-speed trains (which are technologically viable already, but deemed too expensive for the time being).
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Old December 18th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #1930
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350 km/h on the DD Roma Firenze it's virtually impossible because the first part of it, from Roma to Chiusi, has too small tunnels. To reach 300kph the two tracks need to be at a certain distance, and in that stretch they're too close. Speed will be improved probably to 275 kph but no more than that.

On the second stretch, Chiusi to Rovezzano, speed limit will be increased to 300 kph once all major works finish. They need to install ERMTS L2 and switch all the DD line from 3kV DC to 25kV AC. This means that all regional trains running on the stretches Arezzo - Rovezzano and Roma - Orte must be updated to ERMTS L2 and must work with both 3kV DC and 25kV AC. No regional train in Italy can do so, as of today.

The new station in Firenze won't be completed. The project is on hold for now.

The Bologna underpass is at a max speed of 90kph and there are no plan to improve it (since it is basically new)

From Bologna to Modena the speed limit is 240kph and will be probably improved to 275 ONLY if Trenitalia accepts the fact that if those works are done, no freight train can run on the HSL between Bologna and Modena (none run as of today, but at least there is the possibility).

Reaching 274kph of commercial speed is impossible in a line where the first 15 km have speeds between 30 and 110 kph, following 250km won't be more than 300 and half of it never more than 275, then the underpasses of Firenze and Bologna, both at 90kph, then the S curve at Modena and the last 15km into Milano with speeds from 110 to 30 km/h.

Tilting won't change a thing. ETR 600 and 485 are tilting trains but as of today tilting on those stock is deactivated on HSL because it's useless.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 11:25 PM   #1931
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 12:08 PM   #1932
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Old December 27th, 2016, 10:51 PM   #1933
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@narkelion and others: Do you know anything about the sections Brescia-Verona and Verona-Vicenza-Padova? What speeds are they going to be built for and when will they be constructed?

Also what is the current max speed allowed on the Padova-Mestre section? Will it be raised once the Verona-Vicenza-Padova section is constructed?

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Old December 27th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #1934
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@narkelion and others: Do you know anything about the sections Brescia-Verona and Verona-Vicenza-Padova? What speeds are they going to be built for and when will they be constructed?

Also what is the current max speed allowed on the Padova-Mestre section? Will it be raised once the Verona-Vicenza-Padova section is constructed?

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Padova - Mestre max speed should be 230 kmh. But it is a very short stretch and it's going to remain that way even after the HSL will be completely built.

Brescia - Verona will be at 300 km/h. Verona - Padova is still unknown. AFAIK they haven't decided yet if they want a true HSL with 300 km/h max speed or a slower 250 fast link between cities (Verona, Vicenza, Padova).

The main problem is Vicenza, in fact. They don't know whether to skip it or include it. In the second case, though, a 300 km/h line would be useless because distances are too small to actually feel the difference in time between 300 and 250 kph.
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Old December 27th, 2016, 11:54 PM   #1935
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And do you know the schedule of Brescia-Verona?

Other question: Any news on the southern extension of the Naples-Salerno line? Any news on the Mestre-Trieste project?

Is Terzo Valico dei Giovi under full construction?

Thank you for your patience
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Old December 28th, 2016, 12:06 AM   #1936
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No, I'm afraid Ihave no idea about start date for works on the Brescia Verona.

Southern Tirrenica line won't be built as an HSL. There will be major renovating on site, though, to upgrade all line (well, majority of it) to 125mph/200kph.

Terzo Valico is still happily under full construction, yep.
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Old December 28th, 2016, 12:17 PM   #1937
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Good Morning!

I have a question concerning the Italian rolling stock and changes that are made by introducing the new ETR 400. It's now more than one year that those new "Frecciarossa 1000" have entered service.
There will be 50 new trains in total by 2017.

My question: What will be the effect on the other Italian rolling stock?
Some old ETR 500 are now running between Torino - Milano - Venezia.

Will there be old rolling stock withdrawn?
Major changes in Frecciabianca or Frecciargento services?
What's the future for conventional IC trains?

With having 50 new High speed trains, surely some older will be retired.

Thanks!
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Old December 28th, 2016, 03:54 PM   #1938
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As far as I remember, some of this stock was ordered to launch new services abroad so it will not entirely replace existing stock.

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Old December 28th, 2016, 05:40 PM   #1939
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Which services abroad?
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Old December 28th, 2016, 09:19 PM   #1940
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I do not now of anything officially announced. But there were rumors about competing with SNCF & SNCB on Paris - Brussels and other things like that. May be that was just daydreaming. I remember FS was quite upset at SNCF for their stake in Thello at the time and their intention to retaliate. May be that faded away since. But the new trains were conceived with that objective in mind.

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