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Old December 29th, 2016, 02:37 PM   #1941
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Freccia1000 (ETR400) should replace the ETR500 stock on the Torino - Milano - Roma - Napoli (- Salerno) line.

ETR500 will be moved to the transpadana (Torino - Milano - Verona - Venezia [- Trieste]) line and to some Adriatica services (Milano - Bologna - Ancona - Pescara - Bari).

There will be improvements in the frequency, of course.

FrecciArgento and FrecciaBianca will remain as they are. Those train saved from the Transpadana will be used to add more services on Tirrenica (Roma - Livorno - Pisa - Genova) and Adriatica line.

AFAIK, there should be no withdrawal.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 05:44 PM   #1942
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I wish Trenitalia also bought AGV. They are the best high speed trains ever, except from the front nose design.
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Old December 31st, 2016, 12:53 PM   #1943
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I took the FrecciaRossa from Milan to Turin two weeks ago; it was excellent! I wish we had connections like that here.

I didn't use the WiFi though, having to fill out essentially all your information + a credit card number seemed far too ridiculous. And anyway, it was only one hour with a nice view.
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Old December 31st, 2016, 06:57 PM   #1944
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I took the FrecciaRossa from Milan to Turin two weeks ago; it was excellent! I wish we had connections like that here.
Interestingly, on the Dutch thread you vehemently oppose bypass tracks for non-stop domestic services... and new high-speed lines connecting major cities and Germany/Liege.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:21 PM   #1945
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New thread about Napoli-Afragola High-Speed Train Station
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1968071
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 07:18 PM   #1946
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I wish Trenitalia also bought AGV. They are the best high speed trains ever, except from the front nose design.
My only complaint with AGV-s is that they aren't pressure-sealed. Going through tunnels on the Naples-Rome line was quite annoying.

BTW, I love the nose design so there's that
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 07:21 PM   #1947
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My only complaint with AGV-s is that they aren't pressure-sealed. Going through tunnels on the Naples-Rome line was quite annoying.

BTW, I love the nose design so there's that
It is a good design, it is just that the V250 nose is better.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 10:36 AM   #1948
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It is a good design, it is just that the V250 nose is better.
*cue eyeroll*
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:00 PM   #1949
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Interestingly, on the Dutch thread you vehemently oppose bypass tracks for non-stop domestic services... and new high-speed lines connecting major cities and Germany/Liege.
Holland is often too small for projects like that to make any sense and I've lost faith in our ability to manage these things through their construction phase.

In our case I think it's better to just upgrade the main lines so we can ride at 200km/h to every corner of the (small) country.

Italy, like Japan, probably has the best geography for a high speed railway network. One main line running up and down the country + a few additions is basically all you need. That, and very clever engineers who understand earthquakes. The distances are long enough, but not too long.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:18 PM   #1950
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earthquakes. The distances are long enough, but not too long.
Milano Cle. and Reggio Calabra Cle. are farther apart than Milano Cle. and Amsterdam CS. by almost 250km
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:22 PM   #1951
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Anyway, a nose comparison:


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Ansaldo Breda V250 High Speed Train by jimcnb, on Flickr
sources 1 2 (Flickr as indicated)
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Milano Cle. and Reggio Calabra Cle. are farther apart than Milano Cle. and Amsterdam CS. by almost 250km
You do realize you're making his point for him, yes?
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:58 PM   #1953
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That nose comparison is not a contest.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 05:18 PM   #1954
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 07:16 PM   #1955
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Anyway, a nose comparison:
Top: clean, pleasant design
Bottom: shit

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Old January 5th, 2017, 12:18 AM   #1956
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Old January 5th, 2017, 12:51 AM   #1957
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Can anybody tell me why there aren't frequent services running Rome - Florence - Pisa - Genova? Is there that little demand between the capital and Genova?
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Can anybody tell me why there aren't frequent services running Rome - Florence - Pisa - Genova? Is there that little demand between the capital and Genova?
As far as I understand it, geography is a factor. The area around Genoa is quite mountainous and difficult to build in.
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I'm not talking about building new lines.

Frecciabianca services run between Rome and Genova about every 120 minutes, and most of them take 4 hours 46 minutes between Genova Brignole and Roma Termini. These services run on the coastal line between Rome and Pisa via Grosseto and Livorno.

There is one service though between Roma Termini and Genova Brignole that makes the trip in 4 hours 8 minutes, and only 4 hours on the way back. That service runs on the high speed line from Rome to Florence, then on the conventional line from Florence to Genova via Empoli - Pisa - La Spezia.

So I am surprised that there aren't more of those "fast" services which reduce the journey time by about 45 minutes.
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Old January 5th, 2017, 01:44 AM   #1960
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Can anybody tell me why there aren't frequent services running Rome - Florence - Pisa - Genova? Is there that little demand between the capital and Genova?
What's the point to pass via Firenze on a Roma-Genova service?
Tirrenic line via Civitavecchia-Grosseto-Livorno is the most direct route

I'ts not a HS line, but if you want to use HS you can reach Milan, just one hour from Genova by regular train
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