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Old December 4th, 2015, 11:39 AM   #2001
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Old December 4th, 2015, 11:40 AM   #2002
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Old December 4th, 2015, 10:42 PM   #2003
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Old December 5th, 2015, 11:13 AM   #2004
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Luckily it seems not for long, tender process for the next section has started and by spring of 2016 they should start work for next section.
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Old December 5th, 2015, 03:12 PM   #2005
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Luckily it seems not for long, tender process for the next section has started and by spring of 2016 they should start work for next section.
Wait, wait...where will the next section end?
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Old December 5th, 2015, 04:52 PM   #2006
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Wait, wait...where will the next section end?
It will extend straight for about 1.5km until the next major road where it will end in a new roundabout.
This is significant mostly for local traffic, as the city visitors will still take the recently opened exit.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 08:44 PM   #2007
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It will extend straight for about 1.5km until the next major road where it will end in a new roundabout.
This is significant mostly for local traffic, as the city visitors will still take the recently opened exit.
Can you show this on the map?
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Old December 6th, 2015, 11:35 PM   #2008
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Something like this

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=43...72;173163;4874

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Old December 6th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #2009
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this map was posted here a while back:
http://dp.ks.gov.ba/sites/dp.ks.gov....060x1600_0.jpg
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Old December 7th, 2015, 12:01 PM   #2010
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Its unclear which solution was selected but here are some possibilities:

The original project for lot3c:
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Tzi project for for the expressway:
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According to regulatory(land-use) plan of the municipality:
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Old December 9th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #2011
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Bosnia and the Serb Republic don't seem to be on the same page, infrastructure-wise, and I think it's starting to show.

For Bosnia, the main investment is the Croatia-Mostar-Sarajevo-Doboj motorway, which connects most of its main cities: the largest Bosniak city not on this route appears to be Tuzla. Everything else is secondary.

For the Serbs, the main roads all have to go through Banja Luka. Banja Luka-Croatia, Banja Luka-Prijedor-Croatia, Banja Luka-Doboj-Bijeljina-Serbia (they want it to go to Belgrade), Banja Luka-the Adriatic (they want it to end in Split). If it doesn't go through Banja Luka, it's secondary. This includes getting to Sarajevo.

The irony here is that the Bosniaks won't see much value in a motorway between Kupres and Kamensko (on the Croatian border), even though such a route is necessary for a Banja Luka-Split motorway; similarly, while Doboj-Odžak might be a bit more useful, but because it doesn't go through Banja Luka, it's secondary in Serb Republic priorities ...

The worst-case-scenario end result* of this is that, for a time at least, there won't be a direct motorway to the Adriatic through the entirety of BiH. The Serbs will build on the alignment they like, as will the Bosniaks, but they won't be the same alignment. The motorway route to the Adriatic would take the very roundabout Gradiška-Banja Luka-Doboj-Sarajevo-Mostar path, because that would follow the roads the BiH's two constituent states chose to prioritize.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 01:04 AM   #2012
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The worst-case-scenario end result* of this is that, for a time at least, there won't be a direct motorway to the Adriatic through the entirety of BiH. The Serbs will build on the alignment they like, as will the Bosniaks, but they won't be the same alignment. The motorway route to the Adriatic would take the very roundabout Gradiška-Banja Luka-Doboj-Sarajevo-Mostar path, because that would follow the roads the BiH's two constituent states chose to prioritize.
I think pragmatically, the Republika Srpska is building what they need now instead of waiting for the Federation of Bosnia-Hercegovina to build. There's not much sense in building from Odžak to Doboj if the FBiH haven't made any progress on building from Zenica to Doboj. I'm also convinced that the FBiH won't bother building anything more northwards because there's such little traffic - Zenica works as the end point because they get all the traffic from Banja Luka too.

If you look at it from the FBiH point of view - they don't have much cash and yet the Mostar-Sarajevo motorway is badly needed. The A1 reaching Mostar from the coast is quite likely to happen relatively quickly, as they can attract tourists to Mostar.

From the RS point of view - connecting the northern industrial centres is an obvious priority. There's no hope of BiH getting into the EU for the medium term future, so they can't rely on using the Croatian A1.

It's worth pointing out that many intercity routes in Bosnia are pretty quiet by European standards. I drove from Livno to Bihać a few months ago, and it was remarkable as to how empty the road was between Livno and Ripać in the height of summer. Traffic outside of towns was minimal - it was absolutely unnerving at some points.

Something to bear in mind about your route - at the minute, Gradiska is also one of the two all-services border crossings with the EU.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 01:13 AM   #2013
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A map highlighting these competing interests would be nice to see.

For me, generally speaking, the following routes would make sense: Adriatic-Mostar-Sarajevo, then two branches, one toward Zenica-Banja Luka-Prijedor-Croatia (Zg), the other route: Sarajevo-Tuzla-Bijeljina-Serbia (Bg.)

For all other routes a wide two lane highway (magistrala), well maintained, should be enough.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 01:53 AM   #2014
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I think pragmatically, the Republika Srpska is building what they need now instead of waiting for the Federation of Bosnia-Hercegovina to build. There's not much sense in building from Odžak to Doboj if the FBiH haven't made any progress on building from Zenica to Doboj. I'm also convinced that the FBiH won't bother building anything more northwards because there's such little traffic - Zenica works as the end point because they get all the traffic from Banja Luka too.

If you look at it from the FBiH point of view - they don't have much cash and yet the Mostar-Sarajevo motorway is badly needed. The A1 reaching Mostar from the coast is quite likely to happen relatively quickly, as they can attract tourists to Mostar.

From the RS point of view - connecting the northern industrial centres is an obvious priority. There's no hope of BiH getting into the EU for the medium term future, so they can't rely on using the Croatian A1.

It's worth pointing out that many intercity routes in Bosnia are pretty quiet by European standards. I drove from Livno to Bihać a few months ago, and it was remarkable as to how empty the road was between Livno and Ripać in the height of summer. Traffic outside of towns was minimal - it was absolutely unnerving at some points.

Something to bear in mind about your route - at the minute, Gradiska is also one of the two all-services border crossings with the EU.
The point here is that what benefits each side is precisely what leads to competing interests.

The other point is that Gradiška is highly circuitous, particularly for people heading to the Adriatic from Hungary (that is, via the E-73). This seems to be the target group for Bosnia.

Interestingly enough, the internal border between Bosnia and the Serb Republic wanders in such a way that most of the latter's motorway needs can be met internally, but the most important Bosniak corridors have to cross through Serb territory. Not just the E-73 corridor: this is also true for the second-most-important corridor, linking Zagreb with Sarajevo.
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A map highlighting these competing interests would be nice to see.

For me, generally speaking, the following routes would make sense: Adriatic-Mostar-Sarajevo, then two branches, one toward Zenica-Banja Luka-Prijedor-Croatia (Zg), the other route: Sarajevo-Tuzla-Bijeljina-Serbia (Bg.)

For all other routes a wide two lane highway (magistrala), well maintained, should be enough.
Ask and ye shall receive. This map's default shows the corridors the Bosniaks and Serbs are focusing on, as reported in the press, while the lower levels are my guesses as to what decreasing priorities are as the country gets wealthier and more congested.
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Thank you O' Benevolent One. So is there no mention of linking Sarajevo with Banja Luka? I thought I saw something recently about that. Or an eastward motorway from Sarajevo?
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Thank you O' Benevolent One. So is there no mention of linking Sarajevo with Banja Luka? I thought I saw something recently about that. Or an eastward motorway from Sarajevo?
I did see something about one from Sarajevo east, but it didn't seem to be a Serb Republic priority. (Click the "Serb Republic - Secondary Highways" layer to see it.)

This is the first I'm hearing about a Sarajevo-Banja Luka motorway, and it wasn't shown in the most recent press clippings I saw, so...
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Some stunning aerial timeline shots of the Doboj-Prnjavor section

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Old December 22nd, 2015, 10:35 PM   #2018
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An agreement has been signed for the financing of 11 kilometers of A1 around Zenica and A1 between Počitelj and Buna. The contract value is 160 million KM (€ 82 million). Construction is planned to start in mid-2016.

http://www.jpautoceste.ba/2015122215...na-koridoru-vc

Where is 'Buna'? Google Earth puts it somewhere near Mostar Airport, but it's the Zvirovići - Počitelj segment that would be next, right?
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 09:48 AM   #2019
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Press release really speaks about agreement for the next section, Počitelj - Buna. That is logical - if motorway would end temporarily in Počitelj, it wouldn't be much of use (as it is still not today). With motorway begining just south of Mostar will atract much more traffic.
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An agreement has been signed for the financing of 11 kilometers of A1 around Zenica and A1 between Počitelj and Buna. The contract value is 160 million KM (€ 82 million). Construction is planned to start in mid-2016.

http://www.jpautoceste.ba/2015122215...na-koridoru-vc

Where is 'Buna'? Google Earth puts it somewhere near Mostar Airport, but it's the Zvirovići - Počitelj segment that would be next, right?
Zvirovići (or often called exit Međugorje) - Počitelj section is already contracted, possibly already u/c. it's the one with impressive bridge project near Počitelj over Neretva.

they are now talking about successive section from Počitelj to Buna (which you have located properly)
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