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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:04 AM   #721
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Will this motorway continue in Croatia through a new Sava bridge? The present E661 seems to be going through the centre of Gradiška. And one more thing, if a new bridge is built, will there be a new motorway branch to A3 on the Croatian side, or just a road leading to the present Okučani interchange?
Positive. It will continue in HR to A3. It will be a new expressway branch. But- that& the new bridge is going to wait for a while. Few days ago ministers from both states signed an agreement on the new Sava bridge.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:26 AM   #722
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14km to A-3 in Okučani, Republic of Croatia. Beyond this point, paved section of the E-661 stretches for some 3,5km; 0,5km short of reaching the Sava river (border between BiH and Croatia).
how can it be that you have initial stationary point in other country?
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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:31 AM   #723
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yes, new motorway will be built from bridge till A3
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Positive. It will continue in HR to A3. It will be a new expressway branch. But- that& the new bridge is going to wait for a while. Few days ago ministers from both states signed an agreement on the new Sava bridge.
Thanks, it's clear now. It doesn't really count if that branch is a motorway or an expressway only as it will be very short.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:38 AM   #724
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how can it be that you have initial stationary point in other country?
What is wrong with that? I mean we are facing all together the membership in the EU so why do you wonder?
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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:40 AM   #725
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It doesn't really count if that branch is a motorway or an expressway only as it will be very short.
You got the point.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:52 AM   #726
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how can it be that you have initial stationary point in other country?
I don't understand either. It is stupid.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 02:17 AM   #727
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Only reason I found for this is that they have to wait for new categorization, that is expected in next few months?
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Old November 16th, 2011, 06:04 AM   #728
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A-1, section Drivusa- Gorica

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Old November 16th, 2011, 08:30 PM   #729
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Positive. It will continue in HR to A3. It will be a new expressway branch. But- that& the new bridge is going to wait for a while. Few days ago ministers from both states signed an agreement on the new Sava bridge.
Here's the map of that planned expressway on croatian side: it will be a 2x2 road with 110 km/h limit, about 9 km long


The left side of the map is actually north. The vertical red line on the left is A3, you can see the Okučani interchange, which is pretty large, because from the beginning (when it was built in 1985) it's been supposed to be first point of some kind of highway/motorway to Banja Luka
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Old November 16th, 2011, 09:57 PM   #730
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Here's the map of that planned expressway on croatian side
Thanks for sharing. So far so clear. In the next five years BiH and HR, God willing, will be connected by motorways on three spots: Stara/Bosanska Gradiska, Svilaj and Metkovic. In addition I see the need and benefit of connecting Sisak & Bosanski Novi, but that is only a wish of mine.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 10:21 PM   #731
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Excavation of the "Vijenac" tunnel













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Old November 16th, 2011, 10:27 PM   #732
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Why 2 interchanges? Why not a direct interchange from A3 towards north?
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Old November 17th, 2011, 02:17 AM   #733
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Is the A1 already U/C at Zvirovići direction to the Croatian border near Metkovic? motorway-exitlists says so: http://motorways-exitlists.com/europ....htm#a1_a10-hr

The Croatian A10 and A1 in this region are also said to be already u/c. Can anyone confirm this?
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Old November 17th, 2011, 03:37 AM   #734
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Why 2 interchanges? Why not a direct interchange from A3 towards north?
You're right.
If you look very close at the existing Okučani trompet, you'll see that it is bigger than ordinary trompets on A3 Ivanja Reka-Slavonski Brod Istok section (built from 1980 to 1989).
This is because Okučani trompet is in fact uncompleted cloverleaf. In the seventies and eighties (if I remembered well) had existed some kind of "Panonsko-Jadranski Koridor" (Panonic-Adriatic Corridor) with axes:
1. Budapest-Zagreb-Rijeka (today M7-A4-A3-A1-A6)
2. Budapest-Kaposvar-Virovitica-Okucani-Banja Luka-Jajce-Jablanica
3. Budapest-Mohacs-Osijek-Doboj-Sarajevo-Jablanica-Ploče and (today M6-A5-BiH A1-A10)
4. Budapest-Szeged-Novi Sad-Beograd. (today M5-Serbia corr. 10)
So, Okučani cloverleaf (and finished bigger trompet as a temporary solution) was designed as A3-PAC2 interchange.
Proposed solution which Puležan presented to us, is space consuming, material consuming and for an ordinary driver complicated, to say in one word: stupid. One can ask how the designer of that solution got his college diploma in engineering?
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Do you know which company produced barriers?

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Old November 18th, 2011, 02:28 PM   #738
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So, Okučani cloverleaf (and finished bigger trompet as a temporary solution) was designed as A3-PAC2 interchange.
Proposed solution which Puležan presented to us, is space consuming, material consuming and for an ordinary driver complicated, to say in one word: stupid. One can ask how the designer of that solution got his college diploma in engineering?
Yes, it is a bit complicated, but a double trompet solution is the only one suitable for this case, because expressways are toll free, while A3 motorway has toll, so you cannot put toll stations in a cloverleaf interchange (you have 2 directions with a right-of-way). You can see the same solution in other countries which have toll-free expressway system, for example Italy (and other examples in HR: Županja-A3/D55, Osijek-A5/D2)
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I suppose that, due to the overall economic situation, the Croatian expressways will be tolled very soon, especially this one, which, when finished, will not be a city beltway. So the comparison with Osijek (A5-D2) is not appropriate.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 10:56 AM   #740
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