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Old August 9th, 2014, 12:04 PM   #1481
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The N3 route number was not allocated to the road between Ballyshannon in Co. Donegal and the border with Northern Ireland at Beleek in Co. Fermanagh until about 10 years ago.
Wrong. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/si/0209.html - from 1994, the law makes it clear that the N3 always was on both sides of Northern Ireland. The implication is clear - Ireland numbered on an all-Ireland basis. I'm sure it's been discussed on SABRE too.

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Up to about 10 years ago it was a regional road, with an R2xx number.
Maybe in signs, but not in law. See above.

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I just fail to realise why is he let to write these fascistic propaganda here.
What propaganda?

As I've told you several times, the FBiH tends to do things on an all-Bosnia basis.

http://turizamrs.org/ - RS tourist board
http://www.bhtourism.ba/ - FBiH tourist board

The same story repeats itself across other areas, too. Is it really so difficult to understand that it's a departure from FBiH policy to introduce a numbering system that caters only for the FBiH?

The Federation doesn't have any legal competence to cover tourism in RS. But they do, as you can see above.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 02:51 PM   #1482
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What propaganda?
subtle fascism you are promoting here
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http://www.bhtourism.ba/ - FBiH tourist board
this is not FBiH tourism board project, it is project for whole BiH.
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where?
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Old August 9th, 2014, 04:50 PM   #1483
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Fascism in a road numbering discussion - really?
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Old August 9th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #1484
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Fascism in a road numbering discussion - really?
From Wikipedia:

Fascism /fćʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. *

* Also, if someone tries to design a unified road numbering schema for the entire country.

P.S. I may have enhanced the definition a little.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 06:49 PM   #1485
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Chris, it's the Balkans, they see fascism everywhere

All I can say if that we're going to have different road numbers in the FBiH and RS, then it's going to make navigating even more difficult than before.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 09:01 PM   #1486
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Fascism in a road numbering discussion - really?
If you really dont understand what is guy doing here I will try to explain ti to you. To put it on familiar ground so you could better understand it. He is promoting the same idea as if in Belgium Wallonia decides unilateral to make new road numbering for both Wallonia and Flanders, ignoring the fact that it doesnt have jurisdiction over it and not only that, the guy is trying to say that it is logical that Walloon French speaking community has all rights to do it, because Walloon majority wants centralized country, ignoring what Flanders community wants. And than he starts to compare Wallonia with Wets Germany and Flanders with East Germany.
However in case of Bosnia "Wallonia" didn't do that, but has regulated roads on its territory and did everything according to law, but this guy is sad because of it and is pushing his fascist idea as normal.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #1487
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I just made a comment, but then I erased it. Better stay far far away from these threads and discussions. I don't even think I'm going to press the "Post Quick Reply" button now.

Ooops. Too late.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 11:52 PM   #1488
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If you really dont understand what is guy doing here I will try to explain ti to you. To put it on familiar ground so you could better understand it. He is promoting the same idea as if in Belgium Wallonia decides unilateral to make new road numbering for both Wallonia and Flanders, ignoring the fact that it doesnt have jurisdiction over it and not only that, the guy is trying to say that it is logical that Walloon French speaking community has all rights to do it, because Walloon majority wants centralized country, ignoring what Flanders community wants.
And if they have the power to change road numbers, then they're quite within their rights to make a plan that includes numbering for Flanders. Whether Flanders chooses to accept it, it's their choice.

It's pretty much common sense to make an all-Bosnia plan and then offer the RS the chance to use it too. Maybe now, the RS will say "no thank you", but a future Prime Minister of RS might say "...actually, not a bad idea" - in which case, the plan is already there and it makes sense.

The other benefit of making an all-Bosnia plan is that road numbers can actually make sense. I know making sense isn't often considered to be important in Bosnia, but simply making a plan and offering the RS the chance to use it at a later date won't hurt anyone.

I don't know and don't care why FBiH and RS can't agree on a road numbering plan - but the Federation should still take the care to make sure that their plan can be easily extended to the RS if the RS wants it. As it stands, this plan would need torn up should the RS want a unified system (again) in the future.

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However in case of Bosnia "Wallonia" didn't do that, but has regulated roads on its territory and did everything according to law, but this guy is sad because of it and is pushing his fascist idea as normal.
What fascist ideas? It's a common sense idea - if the road numbers suck in FBiH (and they do suck, likewise in the RS) - then if you're going to go to the effort of renumbering, you might as well make a plan for RS as well in case they want to join later, especially when they realise that their numbering is now even more stupid.

It's not about "fascism" or "propaganda" and everything about common sense.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #1489
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Vijenac tunnel
Annonunced opening date August 15
Is it opened now?

What's your source? I've found this article from 2nd August. If I got it right, it says that the remaining testing phase will last about 15 days.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 02:23 AM   #1490
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Is it opened now? What's your source? I've found this article from 2nd August. If I got it right, it says that the remaining testing phase will last about 15 days.
It is not open yet. They are fixing some damage around the northern exit from the tunnel. There is no date set, but likely in the next 1-2 months.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 11:52 AM   #1491
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Even sooner I'd say
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Old August 17th, 2014, 04:07 PM   #1492
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When will the Zvirovci - Kravice be opened? I was there on Wednesday and it seems to be very finished.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:28 AM   #1493
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Some shots I took last week. Let`s start road no. M-14.2 between (Bosanski) Brod and Derventa in Republic of Srpska BiH



Now M-17.2 behind Dervnta








M-17 behind Doboj




Federation of BiH welcome... still M-17




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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:36 AM   #1494
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M-17 towards Sarajevo








One of few tunnels on this road


From Zenica, road M-17 has expressway status.




The begining of A1. behind me is not opened A1 tretch to Zenica with tunnel "Vijenac"


I must say that tis motorway is one of my favorite motorwats in Europe. Road is winding very much but not problem driving 130km/h, beside this amazing views and low traffic.




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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:38 AM   #1495
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Al the time A1 towards Sarajevo














Power Plant "Kakanj" - Termoelektrana "Kakanj" (TE "Kakanj")


Again TE "Kakanj"




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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:39 AM   #1496
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Service area with gas station "Petrol"


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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:44 AM   #1497
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Last photo of A1 for this day


Another day. Roads linking Sarajevo with motorway A1. Towards A1, behind Sarajevo






Before new stretch of A1, it`s west bypass of Sarajevo and goes towards Mostar.




This roads runs in artificial tunnel under new tretch of A1


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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:48 AM   #1498
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On right above mentioned stretch of A1




A1 towards north (Zenica)










Cestarina - toll station. Price for all stratch is 5,50KM, cca. 2,80EUR


A1 towars north, just behind toll station




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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:48 AM   #1499
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All the time A1 towards north




















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Still A1



















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