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Old October 30th, 2015, 08:26 PM   #1941
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This will be part of the future 'Gradski Autoput', right?
Well actually this is the last remaining LOT of the Sarajevo bypass, and this bridge is the begining of the future planned city highway or gradski autoput. That road is supposed to 'continue' in the direction of top left corner and end in Ciglane neighbourhood, which is basicly downtown.



Here you can see the bypass and city highway in yellow http://dp.ks.gov.ba/sites/dp.ks.gov....060x1600_0.jpg

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Old October 30th, 2015, 08:28 PM   #1942
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Old October 30th, 2015, 10:07 PM   #1943
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This new road will finally provide a decent connection from the highway to Sarajevo.
Good riddance Rajlovac, I will never forget your awful traffic jams.
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Old October 31st, 2015, 09:43 AM   #1944
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Here you can see the bypass and city highway in yellow http://dp.ks.gov.ba/sites/dp.ks.gov....060x1600_0.jpg
I believe this is the master plan for some far far future?
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Old October 31st, 2015, 10:45 AM   #1945
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It's a plan for when they decide to start building it This is LOT 2 from the pictures. Latest media report says construction works are to be finished by November 16 http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/bih/saraj...mbra/151029068

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Old October 31st, 2015, 12:34 PM   #1946
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I believe this is the master plan for some far far future?
Seems like it but sadly they begun building it (gradski autoput) in 1981 and the original plans are from 1978. Also there are local politicians that are trying hard to have it end only about 800m from that point.

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Old October 31st, 2015, 02:27 PM   #1947
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so this was build almost 35 years ago?
Also on some Pictures it looks like the second Tunnel is already there, can anyone confirm?
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Old October 31st, 2015, 03:47 PM   #1948
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so this was build almost 35 years ago? Also on some Pictures it looks like the second Tunnel is already there, can anyone confirm?
Yes, the bridge is being used partially. And, yes, there are two tunnels, but only one is in use. Interestingly, on the other side of the tunnel, they already built support beams for the flyover and they have been just standing there for all these years.
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Old November 1st, 2015, 01:38 AM   #1949
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One country, two threads So be it, same post here and there :p
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Three posts merged into one; 20 pictures... Pics are from couple days ago.

In this map, you can see, roughly, where are this works, between start and final points. Map isn't precise, but it's useful, I believe. Final point are, in fact, couple mm below presented on the map. Presented trajectory simply ignore.



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by @dadara: bridge over river Vrbas, Laktaši municipality, highway Banja Luka - Doboj













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by @dadara: Bridge over river Vrbas. Bridge will be built in full highway 2+2 profile













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by @dadara, part 3:















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Old November 3rd, 2015, 11:18 AM   #1950
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Matanović reagirao: Hrvatska ne može graditi Pelješki most bez dogovora sa BiH

Matanović reacted: Croatia cannot erect Pelješki bridge without agreement with Bosnia & Hercegovina.

Here is a full article, which could have been translated by a happy to do that native:

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Ministarstvo komunikacija i prometa BiH na čijem je čelu ministar Slavko Matanović pozdravlja usvajanje strategije Evropske Unije za jadransko-jonsku regiju (Evropski parlament, 28.10.2015.)

Usvojeni dokument ima veliki značaj i za našu državu jer ističe važnost izgradnje jadransko-jonske autoceste, povezivanja zemalja članica EU sa zemljama nečlanicama, razvijanje energetske mreže, prenosi novinska agencija Patria.

-Nasuprot novinskim navodima da strategija izričito podržava izgradnju Pelješkog mosta, usvojeni dokument ni na jednom mjestu ne spominje ovaj projekat.

Ministarstvo komunikacija i prometa BiH ponovo naglašava da gradnji mosta treba prethoditi bilateralni sporazum između BiH i Republike Hrvatske kojim bi se našoj zemlji osigurao slobodan pristup međunarodnim vodama, u skladu sa UN konvencijom o pravu mora. Hrvatska strana još uvijek nije dostavila imena članova zajedničke komisije koji bi trebali razmatrati ovo pitanje, i pored urgencija koje je ministarstvo poslalo.

Također, Ministarstvo napominje da Bosna i Hercegovina nije učestvovala na izradi studije utjecaja na okoliš što je morao biti slučaj s obzirom da se radi o velikom građevinskom projektu u neposrednoj blizini teritorije Bosne i Hercegovine (predviđeno UN-ovom „Espoo konvencijom“).

O svim ovim problemima Ministarstvo će informirati Vijeće ministara, te predložiti da se ova otvorena pitanja razmotre na najvišem nivou između dvije države u što skorijem vremenu, saopćeno je iz Ministarstva prometa i komunikacija BiH.
http://nap.ba/new/vijest.php?id=17850

Generally and briefly speaking, the bridge has been given green light from EU authorities, however nobody cared to discuss the subject with BiH, whose access to open sea might be obstructed. (this is how I understand the article).
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 01:51 PM   #1951
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Nobody asked Croatian authorities for agreement on oil refinery in Brod/Bosanski Brod, whose pollution makes life in Slavonski Brod from time to time unbearable.
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 02:38 PM   #1952
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Generally, the two countries are not being good neighbors. Many transportation and other issues could be solved with a little more good will.
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 05:48 PM   #1953
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Nobody asked Croatian authorities for agreement on oil refinery in Brod/Bosanski Brod, whose pollution makes life in Slavonski Brod from time to time unbearable.
When was that refinery built? I thought it was from YU times...
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 05:53 PM   #1954
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Here's some info: http://www.rafinerija.com/eng/onama.html
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 09:39 PM   #1955
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The situation is rather clear: If the sea between Ploce and Peljesac belongs to the baseline, it's an internal water. And:

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Covers all water and waterways on the landward side of the baseline. The coastal state is free to set laws, regulate use, and use any resource. Foreign vessels have no right of passage within internal waters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Law_of_the_Sea

So, it all depends on the state of the sea.
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Old November 4th, 2015, 03:52 PM   #1956
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The sea between Ploče and Pelješac is obviously Croatian internal water, so folks from Bosnia & Herzegovina have no right to claim any international conventions. The only condition for the Pelješac bridge (and I guess this right is derived from Yugoslav times) is to be compliant with a clearance about 250 meters wide and about 50 meters high, to enable sailing of all kind of ships from and to the future (I would rather say never!) harbor of Neum.
Needless to say that the Ottoman Empire, according to treaties with Venetian State and later with Austrian Empire, didn't have any rights to sail from and to Neum.
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Old November 5th, 2015, 12:32 AM   #1957
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They have the right to the "innocent passage" under the international law. That means that they can build Antwerpen 2 in Neum if they wish so.
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Old November 5th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #1958
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They have the right to the "innocent passage" under the international law. That means that they can build Antwerpen 2 in Neum if they wish so.
If the sea is internal waters of Croatia, then they have not right to passage. It's complicated.
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Old November 5th, 2015, 01:41 PM   #1959
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They have the right to the "innocent passage" under the international law. That means that they can build Antwerpen 2 in Neum if they wish so.
Clearance about 250 m wide and about 50 m high is just the "innocent passage". Croatia doesn't give a damn if Bosnia will ever build Antwerpen 2 in Neum, so Bosnia shall not object if Croatia want to build a bridge in Croatian home waters, with secured clearance.
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Old November 5th, 2015, 04:33 PM   #1960
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Is it so hard to discuss Croatian road construction on their own thread instead of here?
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