What is the murder rate in your city?

[shree711]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I was reading that UN homicide report and it got me thinking and daydreaming about something:

Maybe my perception of whether a country is safe or unsafe (at least with regards to violent crime/murder/homicide) is probably shaped on whether I should drive a Jaguar XJ in that said country/territory.



For those who don't know, the Jaguar XJ (X351) is a superb vehicle......especially if you get say the Supersport version with 20 inch Mataiva wheels.

Problem with Jaguar vehicles though is that, even if they have tons of features along with stunning design inside & out, well.........their reliability is questionable. A lot of Jaguar XFs and some new XJ (X351) vehicles have lousy electronics that go fuzzy and sometimes, the cars actually stall and their batteries die out.

Hence, such a situation becomes bad if your car stalls and you are in a crime-infested area. Wrong place wrong time kinda thing.

So when I'm faced with the dilemma, it's either I would drive a Jag......or a German premium brand (e.g. Audi, BMW or MB).........or otherwise, I would choose a Lexus.

Here's what I've thought of:

Avoid Jaguar XJ
USA: Drive Lexus
Canada: Probably Lexus.....or maybe the Germans would be okay
Mexico: Definitely Lexus (if your Jag stalls, the drug cartels might kill you)
Puerto Rico: Lexus (though sadly, a man in a Lexus was shot dead in San Juan last year and woman in a Lexus almost got robbed but thankfully rammed her Lexus against the perpetrator)
South Africa: Lexus (SA violent crime is a mixed bag; some places like Gauteng are safe......but other areas like Port Elizabeth are crime infested)
Nigeria: Lexus
Bangladesh: Lexus
India: Lexus
Pakistan: Lexus

Drive Jaguar XJ:
United Kingdom: Definitely Jaguar
Ireland: Definitely Jaguar
Malta: Recommended would be Jaguar.......though I wonder if there's a dealership there
Rest of European Union: I would still be safe with the Jaguar
Singapore: Safe to drive a Jag
Malaysia: Safe to drive a Jag
Australia and New Zealand: Seems safe enough to drive a Jag
SAR territories (Hong Kong/Macau): Absolutely safe to drive a Jag
Mainland China: Safe enough (even if 10k+ murders a year over there, the murder rate is only like less than 2.0.....because of the huge overall population; that and I doubt any Mainland Chinese would want to kill me and steal my XJ)

Unsure/Neutral:
Philippines: Probably in some areas only (i.e. Makati, Fort Bonifacio, Eastwood City); AVOID Taft Avenue and the squatter areas of Tondo (where the 'icepick' hoodlums are)
Thailand: Unsure
Indonesia: Unsure
Rest of Europe (outside EU): Hmm.......I dunno. I'm not familiar with those areas
GCC Middle East: Unsure.....BUT not because of crime. I'm worried that the extreme heat of the GCC Middle East is too much for the Jag to handle (i.e. like the Range Rover Evoque that caught fire in Dubai)

So I guess, in some places where violent crime levels are relatively high, I guess I should just rent a Lexus just to be safe. Sure, Lexus (i.e. LS460) is very reliable.......but I don't think it has the same dynamism or excitment that an XJ Supersport can provide.

So I guess in that sense, for some places, I can't have my cake and eat it just yet.

Anyways, it's just a random thought I had in mind

USA: Yes. Drive the Lexus.
Canada: I think you can drive the German cars here. Jag should be fine
Mexico: I would actually pick an american car here.
Puerto Rico: I don't know. Pick american?
South Africa: Pick an old white second hand. In Gauteng, it is NOT safe. This place is full of car-jackers and murderers.
Nigeria: Best not to attract attention with a Lexus either
Bangladesh: Try to get a lexus first. Although I would imagine that you should get a cheap car due to sheer driving ethic and traffic issues.
India: Pick a Skoda. (It really does not make too much sense to drive a really expensive car here)
Pakistan: Pick a Honda
United Kingdom: Well the Jaguar does come from here...
Ireland: Close enough
Malta: I don't really know although I'd imagine that its fine.
Rest of European Union: I would still be safe with the Jaguar
Singapore: Drive the Jaguar XJ if you like. Be ready to pay masses.
Malaysia: Go ahead.
Australia and New Zealand: Go ahead.
SAR territories (Hong Kong/Macau): Drive absolutely anything you want to here. They have it all.
Mainland China: I wouldn't trust these blokes if I were you.

[chicagogeorge]

The city of Chicago had 50 murders in May. Despicable.

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2012/05/

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Here is the crime update for my old neighborhood in Chicago (Albany Park).
http://spotcrime.com/il/chicago/albany+park


My suburb where I moved in Dec 2010, is very peaceful. It hasn't seen a murder in years if ever.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/bourbonnais/crime/

[chicagogeorge]

This weekend 9 dead, at least another 46 shot in the city of Chicago. Stupid gangs.

http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2473269&spid=

[Taller, Better]

We had our 23rd murder of 2012 today, after a shoot up at a local ice cream parlour. That is two less than this date last year.

[Motul]

Bogota Murder Rate 2012: 16/100,000.

Colombia: 26/100,000.

[chicagogeorge]

This weekend, 7 people killed and 35 more shot..... Bloody and hot summer so far in Chicago


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[TheMoses]

Sheesh! Scary.

There have been 36 murders in London so far this year, according to http://www.citizensreportuk.org/repo...n-murders.html. Dunno if it takes a while for more recent ones to get uploaded so there might be a few more not counted. There were 61 murders by this date in 2011. Hoping we might get under 100 murders this year.

[Beware]

Peoria, IL (USA) up to 7 homicides as of early Sunday morning. I've lost count of the number of other violent crimes that have occurred throughout the city and Summer's, just, beginning. But, don't be fooled by it's crime statistics. MY hometown is, actually, a very nice place to live and visit....

" WELCOME TO PEORIA! "

(image from http://www.legaljuice.com )

[IrishMan2010]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

The city of Chicago had 50 murders in May. Despicable.

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2012/05/

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Here is the crime update for my old neighborhood in Chicago (Albany Park).
http://spotcrime.com/il/chicago/albany+park


My suburb where I moved in Dec 2010, is very peaceful. It hasn't seen a murder in years if ever.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/bourbonnais/crime/

50 murders in the space of 1 month???

[agus_southMVD]

6/100.000 in Uruguay
8/100.000 in Montevideo
Murder rate remains low in comparison to other Latin American countries, yet thanks to our sensationalistic media, some people here are convinced that they live in an unbearably insecure country.

[Motul]

8 is pretty high for Mdeo, considering its half that of a city like Bogota (which has terrible fame).

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by IrishMan2010

50 murders in the space of 1 month???

Yes, a horrible statistic, more than 75% of them gang related.

Believe it or not the most violent epic in Chicago was back in the late 80's and early 90's when some 900+ people were being murdered each year.

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So far this year about 235 people have been murdered in the city of Chicago.

[aaabbbccc]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

Yes, a horrible statistic, more than 75% of them gang related.

Believe it or not the most violent epic in Chicago was back in the late 80's and early 90's when some 900+ people were being murdered each year.

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So far this year about 235 people have been murdered in the city of Chicago.

Do you know why there were so many more murders in the late 80's and early 90 's ? Gang related as well back than as well ?

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by aaabbbccc

Do you know why there were so many more murders in the late 80's and early 90 's ? Gang related as well back than as well ?

Yes, that's when gang numbers, exploded, as well as the crack cocaine drug trade. Today, there is no leadership in a couple of the largest gangs in Chicago dead or in jail), so there is a lot of in fighting.

[isakres]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

Yes, a horrible statistic, more than 75% of them gang related.

Believe it or not the most violent epic in Chicago was back in the late 80's and early 90's when some 900+ people were being murdered each year.

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So far this year about 235 people have been murdered in the city of Chicago.

It seems average compared to the early 90's figures.

DOes those figures are just for the City /County of CHicago, or includes Metro Area?, seems pretty high for a developed country.

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by isakres

It seems average compared to the early 90's figures.

DOes those figures are just for the City /County of CHicago, or includes Metro Area?,

Those figures are only for the city of Chicago, but murders outside the city in the suburbs and surrounding counties of the metro area are rare, that is except for Gary Indiana which is a hell hole.

seems pretty high for a developed country.

Well the parts of the city which sees the vast majority of the murders, is basically a bombed out gang infested ghetto.

[aaabbbccc]

What about the 1974 Chicago murder rate which was so high ? even back than there were gang problems ??

[WeimieLvr]

Originally Posted by aaabbbccc

What about the 1974 Chicago murder rate which was so high ? even back than there were gang problems ??

Yes...gangs have been doing their thing for many decades. In 1850 alone in NYC there were over 200 recorded gang wars, so I'm sure they were prominent in 1974 Chicago.

[chicagogeorge]

In the early 1970s was a few years after MLK's assassination, which led to riots, and large sections of the South and particularly West side being burned. The gangs at that point took advantage of the despair in those communities and began organizing into mega gangs. Disciples, Vicelords, Black Stones.... A similar situation was happening in LA with the Crips and Bloods.

There are literally 100000 gang members in the city of Chicago, with an additional 15000-20000 throughout the suburbs.. You also had racial conflict as white flight out of the city accelerated when Hispanics and Blacks began moving into traditionally white ethnic neighborhoods.

Today most (but not all) of the African American communities are complete wastelands. 180000 African Americans left the city in the last 10 years, and I am sure just as many if not more will leave come time of the 2020 census. Many Hispanic communities are also gang infested, which is why Hispanic growth rate in the city went from 25000 a year during the 1990's to a mere 2500 a year during this last decade.

[isakres]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

Those figures are only for the city of Chicago, but murders outside the city in the suburbs and surrounding counties of the metro area are rare, that is except for Gary Indiana which is a hell hole.



Well the parts of the city which sees the vast majority of the murders, is basically a bombed out gang infested ghetto.

Given a population of around 4million, then Chicago city is a bit more violent than I could imagine. Monterrey just surpass the 600 mark after a split in regional Cartels that get on war at the early 2010. (We ended 2010 with around 800 murders).