Liverpool Football Club

[UrbaniseD]

Granted, this thread is about football, and isn't about buildings. But neither is the thread on the Liverpool media, or the TV people have seen, etc. So I would like to post this here where there is more passion for the club. Also, numerous forummers here don't venture out to the Skybar, so this extra thread will add interest to this forum.

Is anybody else starting to seriously question Benitez? Having just watched the FA Cup game, and having followed LFC closely this season, I am starting to have serious doubts. Liverpool were basically poor against Arsenal. Arsenal's defence was far, far superior; and their attack was far, far superior. Even when Liverpool upped the pressure, they just seemed to contain Liverpool and when they felt like having a go they went on and scored quite easily.

Perhaps this is some sort of deliberate plan so that Liverpool can concentrate on bigger fish. Maybe. And I'm sure people will talk about how Benitez won the Champions League and the FA Cup last season. Both were awesome. But the Champions League was won with Houllier's squad. The FA Cup was won by a cat's whisker against a mediocre team.

This season has been extremely disappointing. The league was needlessly thrown down the toilet within the first 10 games because of botched "rotation" strategies and having key players out of position. It is a disgrace, and terrible for season ticket holders who now know the league is pretty much gone, based on some poor results early on.

And today against Arsenal, LFC were just out classed. Arsenal were faster, and better in all areas other than midfield. Arsenal's tactics were better and their fluency was better. Arsenal do not spend any more than Liverpool, so what the hell is going on?

I no longer rate Benitez and frankly he has a lot of work to do to win back my support.

What do other people think?

[eyeam]

Turning on him already? Houllier all over again with you lovable reds.

I don't think these posts should be on here btw, plenty of busy LFC and general football forums. Stuff like liverpool in the media is semi-related and isn't really catered to on other forums.

[westisbest]

Garcia is 99.9999999% sh*te and 00.0000001 good

and that is his ratio to how much good he does for Liverpool

[Scarecrow]

Hail Rosicky!

[UrbaniseD]

Originally Posted by eyeam

I don't think these posts should be on here btw, plenty of busy LFC and general football forums.

Well I would like to discuss it with people I know here, who I consider to be informed and articulate people. If you can only offer inhuman pedantry then perhaps you should avoid clicking the thread link.

Originally Posted by Westi

Garcia is 99.9999999% sh*te and 00.0000001 good

He was appalling today. Weak in front of defenders. He isn't as worthless as you make out.

What about Rafa though?

[westisbest]

Im not commenting on Rafa, its such a bad time to have a museum and stadium tour, anyone want my reservation for £10, tommorow (sunday 7th)

[Scarecrow]

Bumbling meff who won the jackpot with Houlliers muppets. Spent millions on building his own team. In reality, swapped the French and northern European garbage with latin garbage. Fore Shore.

[UrbaniseD]

Originally Posted by Bunnyman

Bumbling meff who won the jackpot with Houlliers muppets. Spent millions on building his own team. In reality, swapped the French and northern European garbage with latin garbage. Fore Shore.

He has swapped French for Latin, that is a fact. Although I don't think the new "garbage" is as bad as Houllier's "garbage".

[Scarecrow]

Houlliers garbage won t'Champions league.

[Accura4Matalan]

Liverpool are doing reasonably well on the whole. Only in recent months has their performance dipped to slightly below average. The problem is, something happened 2 years ago that made the idea that Liverpool could be a successful team go to everybodys heads! At the end of the day, Liverpool (in a contemporary context) are an average premiership team who got very lucky 2 years ago but in a general sense equal to spurs and ummm... Everton! Arsenal on the other hand are a very high quality side whose potential isnt being fully realised and have been very unlucky.
However, I would support Liverpool over Arsenal because Liverpool dont have the ridiculous amount of foreign players that Arsenal have on a team. I dont like it if a team has more than 7 non-British Isles players on a team.

[westisbest]

Lets forget the game and hail the Kop, amazing

[UrbaniseD]

Originally Posted by Accura

Liverpool (in a contemporary context) are an average premiership team who got very lucky 2 years ago but in a general sense equal to spurs and ummm... Everton! Arsenal on the other hand are a very high quality side whose potential isnt being fully realised and have been very unlucky.

I find that slightly exaggerated. Liverpool routinely finish in the top 4, and it is rexpected that they finish in the top 4. They have also won more silver than any other English club in the last 5/6 years.

Tottenham havn't won anything as far as I'm aware, and so the difference between they and Liverpool is enormous. Arsenal have serious issues and Liverpool can expect to finish ahead of them. But I just quesiton why they outperform Liverpool so easily when they meet.

[tommygunn]

Originally Posted by Accura

However, I would support Liverpool over Arsenal because Liverpool dont have the ridiculous amount of foreign players that Arsenal have on a team. I dont like it if a team has more than 7 non-British Isles players on a team.

No black players either did you notice that? Benitez has lost a game lets all call for him to be sacked this type of fan makes me sick.Give the man a chance he won the European cup in his first season .Then the world famous FA cup in his second give him time.

[Tony Sebo]

Arsenal are better than Liverpool right now - simple as that. They play beautiful as welll as effective football in a league more geared towards thugs and alehouse kickers.

Calling Rafa's qualities into doubt is a strange one... about 3 more years before we should do that.

[westisbest]

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[UrbaniseD]

Originally Posted by tommygunn

Benitez has lost a game lets all call for him to be sacked this type of fan makes me sick.Give the man a chance he won the European cup in his first season .Then the world famous FA cup in his second give him time.

For crying out loud man! Didn't you read my first post? The type of fan who says "yeah, but he won the european cup and then the FA cup!" in a bleating sort of fashion makes me sick.

I'm not saying he should be sacked. I'm calling his abilities into question. He has been here for a couple of seasons now and that is only fair. The pundits were suggesting Liverpool could topple Chelsea this season. AFter the end to last season we all expected it. And then look what happened. the beginning of the season was squandered due to Rafa's stupid policy of rotation. He didn't play Crouch even though he'd been the highest England scorer, but kept playing Bellamy when he was out of form. He kept playing Gerrard out of his preferred position. He kept swapping everything around causing confusion- to a degree no other manager has. Do you see Mourihno keeping Drogba on the bench? No! he gets everything he can out of him. Same with other managers.

Rafa has made stupid mistakes and I for one hope he doesn't make them again because he doesn't want to lose face. Today's performance lacked character, and I don't think he has a big excuse. Rafa is in full control now after this amount of time, and he is accountable for the way the team performs. Nobody can deny that the waste of this season's league campaign is largely down to him.

I do realise that he needs another season before we judge him. Not 3 years! But i just hope things improve. I want LFC to be best of the best, not good against the Premiership dregs and then crap against the top guns.

That's whay I have started this thread.

[eyeam]

Originally Posted by UrbaniseD

Well I would like to discuss it with people I know here, who I consider to be informed and articulate people. If you can only offer inhuman pedantry then perhaps you should avoid clicking the thread link

That is possibly the most pompous thing I've ever read in my life.

You started a new thread and I made a relevant reply to what you had said regarding it's "worth" so to speak, on this forum. You raised the issue in the first place so why get upset when someone comments on it? I never said anything out of order, get over yourself mate.

[UrbaniseD]

Originally Posted by eyeam

That is possibly the most pompous thing I've ever read in my life.

You started a new thread and I made a relevant reply to what you had said regarding it's "worth" so to speak, on this forum. You raised the issue in the first place so why get upset when someone comments on it? I never said anything out of order, get over yourself mate.

Well I'm sorry, but I find there are far too many sour faced whingers on the internet complaining about minute and unimportant matters. "I don't think the thread should be there!", "I don't like this, I don't like that!"

I wasn't inviting you to start whinging, I was simply explaining why I'd posted the thread. Other people seem to be happy and we have a debate going, so shut up.

[tommygunn]

[QUOTE=UrbaniseD;11180548]For crying out loud man! Didn't you read my first post? The type of fan who says "yeah, but he won the european cup and then the FA cup!" in a bleating sort of fashion makes me sick.


Im sorry but Uefa cup winner Champions league winner La Liga winner FA cup winner gets my vote over you.

[UrbaniseD]

[QUOTE=tommygunn;11181060]

Originally Posted by UrbaniseD

For crying out loud man! Didn't you read my first post? The type of fan who says "yeah, but he won the european cup and then the FA cup!" in a bleating sort of fashion makes me sick.


Im sorry but Uefa cup winner Champions league winner La Liga winner FA cup winner gets my vote over you.

Well that is a fair point Tommy. But if we don't win the Champions League this year then what is there to win? People seem to think these new owners are going to be saviours, but lets not forget, Arsenal play beautiful football and they don't pay big bucks for it. It is how you use your players and the tactics you employ that are as important as anything.