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Old January 13th, 2007, 02:51 PM   #101
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That looks like an excelent motorway, but what really strickes me is the size of the toll both's area. Only 4 cabins. It's the smallests trunk tool both I've ever seen.
Anyway, I guess the motorway won't have to much traffic in the first years, and then they will add more cabins if needed.

i think because it is drive out a near a samll city


the big cities have bigger ones

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Old January 13th, 2007, 04:07 PM   #102
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Moldova doesn't have motorways. Kazakhstan does have some, it is one of the fastest growing economies of the world, and they are building a motorway from Almaty to Astana. Since Kazakhstan is partially in Europe, you can include this country too
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Old January 13th, 2007, 04:16 PM   #103
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But we still don't know the color; do you have any pictures, btw?

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Monaco got 2 km (a tunnel with toll): in blue
Ukraine is green
Any pix?
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Old January 13th, 2007, 05:42 PM   #104
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Coth, let's just leave the decision to chrishillcoat (the starter of the thread), if (s)he's interested in this sign:

or this:

or both of them.
Only the first. Otherwise it gets too complicated!
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Old January 13th, 2007, 07:02 PM   #105
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Since Kazakhstan is partially in Europe, you can include this country too
What?!?

Europe ends in the Urals and in the Caucasus. Kazakhstan is all in Asia.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 08:02 PM   #106
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But let's not have a debate about what's Europe and what isn't. We need all countries in the world in this thread anyway.

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Old January 13th, 2007, 10:13 PM   #107
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There is a problem with Estonia. You see, it doesn't have any motorways so I think you can leave Estonia unpainted on the map.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 10:50 PM   #108
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Japan uses blue signs for surface streets and highways, green signs for their expressways.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 11:36 PM   #109
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What?!?

Europe ends in the Urals and in the Caucasus. Kazakhstan is all in Asia.
The Ural river is the border between Europe and Asia, south of the Ural Mountains. That leaves a piece of Kazakhstan about the size of Portugal in Europe.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 11:38 PM   #110
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There is a problem with Estonia. You see, it doesn't have any motorways so I think you can leave Estonia unpainted on the map.
Are you sure? This pic looks like a motorway:

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Old January 14th, 2007, 01:07 AM   #111
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The Ural river is the border between Europe and Asia, south of the Ural Mountains. That leaves a piece of Kazakhstan about the size of Portugal in Europe.
I thought it was the ural mountains, not the river.
But the caucasus mountains are border too, right? Or do you consider that Armenia and Azerbeijan for example are in Europe too??
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Old January 14th, 2007, 01:18 AM   #112
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I thought it was the ural mountains, not the river.
But the caucasus mountains are border too, right? Or do you consider that Armenia and Azerbeijan for example are in Europe too??
Well, the Urals are the border actually, but they don't extend that much to the south (Caspian Sea), so south of the Urals, the Ural river takes over the border

Well, i think, the Caucasus mountain range is the border between Europe and Asia, but sometimes, countries like Turkey, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan are included too. But i think it is culturally surely not Europe, however, these countries are quite connected to Europe politically, especially Turkey and Georgia. For instance, European organizations like the OSCE are working in these countries.

As you can see, on that map posted above, Europe is much bigger as many people think. They think, that behind (east) of Moscow, Europe stops. But there is still a distance like Amsterdam - Madrid behind Moscow. Russia is so huge...
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I found Romania! And it's green.


http://forum.autosnelwegen.nl/viewtopic.php?t=5750

What an asphalt!
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lol, i couldn't find pics of Romanian signs, and now they are found on my "home" forum

Romanian roads seems to be amongst the worst of Europe. Even in Ukraine or Russia, they have better roads.
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Old January 14th, 2007, 02:00 AM   #115
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Are you sure? This pic looks like a motorway:

I see you took this here. But on the next picture:

we can see that it doesn't fulfill the motorway/freeway criteria (if it's the same road, I believe it is).
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Old January 14th, 2007, 02:02 AM   #116
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EUROPE, PLEASE!!! Other continents will come later!
what the hell is your problem? the thread title doesnt stipulate "europe only"

Here some from Melbourne, Australia







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maybe they have some different standards for a motorway in Estonia? I saw on maps some motorway-like roads around Tallinn. And considered the low amount of traffic, such a U-turns aren't any problem in Estonia.

In Russia, there are very much motorways/expressways without controlled acces, just because the amount of traffic is VERY low.
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maybe they have some different standards for a motorway in Estonia? I saw on maps some motorway-like roads around Tallinn. And considered the low amount of traffic, such a U-turns aren't any problem in Estonia.

In Russia, there are very much motorways/expressways without controlled acces, just because the amount of traffic is VERY low.
Motorway standards are the same in Estonia as in other European countries. You can call these roads motorways, but officially they're not motorways. We don't need motorways because the amount of traffic is not enough to compensate the price. But I don't know what colour would the signs be if we had motorways.
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maybe they have some different standards for a motorway in Estonia? I saw on maps some motorway-like roads around Tallinn. And considered the low amount of traffic, such a U-turns aren't any problem in Estonia.

In Russia, there are very much motorways/expressways without controlled acces, just because the amount of traffic is VERY low.
Do you mean if they use one of these two signs:

I doubt that, but we can ask Rebasepoiss or some other Estonian. I know they don't have such signs in Latvia, cuz when you enter it, the speed limit sign doesn't show such road. On contrary, Lithuania has such sign (and Russia too). To be honest, in areas with low traffic, I wouldn't mind such roads, they are ok, but the problem is (like in Russia) that they have real motorways too, so you can clearly say that such a road isn't a real motorway; and the problem is of course with color of the signs; in Russia green is obviously used only on real motorways, on other motorway-like roads blue is used. When Estonia was in Soviet Union, you could clearly say it didn't have real motorways, as Soviet Union did have them (south of Moscow), so you could tell, what a real motorway was and what wasn't. And what if Estonia one day gets real motorways and colors them green; it would be stupid to say that the color of motorway signs changed from blue to green. :s Actually the quality of the road is the one that changed. I say, let's leave the decision to Estonians:
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There is a problem with Estonia. You see, it doesn't have any motorways so I think you can leave Estonia unpainted on the map.


Another statement (oh, I just realized it's from the same forumer):
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We actually don't have even 1km of highway in Estonia. There are some 4-line(about 100km in total) roads but these aren't highways.
I believe (s)he meant 'motorway/freeway', not 'highway'.
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Old January 14th, 2007, 03:09 PM   #120
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Motorway standards are the same in Estonia as in other European countries. You can call these roads motorways, but officially they're not motorways. We don't need motorways because the amount of traffic is not enough to compensate the price. But I don't know what colour would the signs be if we had motorways.
Man, you just beat me by 8 minutes.
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