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Old October 11th, 2012, 02:32 AM   #2401
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These examples clearly show that we are not engaged renamings for geopolitical purposes. Unlike our "friends" in Czechoslovakia, Latvia, Poland, Georgia, etc. Feel the difference! Stop spread your political BS!
Then what was the purpose of the letter from the MID? I mean, to pick on Romania of all places. And the reason Bukharestskaya will not be renamed is NOT because it is stupid BUT because there's too little time and too much money involved in changing signs.
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(in particular, almost all Russia-related names were renamed in Romanian cities during last two decades)
I don't want to delve too deeply into this sensitive issue, but to my understanding communist Romania did not have very close relations with the USSR so I doubt there were many objects named after Russia during the Ceausescu period.

I do admit that stations named after Moscow were changed in Prague in 1990 and in Budapest last year. Paris metro, however, has never changed the name of Stalingrad metro station.

What I wonder is whether the MID guy who wrote that letter got Budapest confused with Bucharest, because it was in Budapest (Hungary) that there was a big hullabaloo last year about changing the name of Moscow Square to Szell Kalman Square (and concurrently changing the name of the M2 metro station named after the square):

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Old October 11th, 2012, 03:46 AM   #2403
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Then what was the purpose of the letter from the MID? I mean, to pick on Romania of all places.
This is a political request which is not likely to be satisfied.

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And the reason Bukharestskaya will not be renamed is NOT because it is stupid BUT because there's too little time and too much money involved in changing signs.
Read again. Such proposals to rename this station were much earlier. In 1990s, they planned to name it "Ulitsa Salova" - "Salov Street" (Mikhail Salov was Soviet flyer, a Hero of Soviet Union, who participated in Soviet-Finnish War 1939-1940 and was killed in 1941 during Continuation War in Karelia). In 2009, then-Governor Valentina Matvienko supported the renaming of the station into "Metrostroyevskaya" ("Metro construction"), to commemorate 70 years of the "Metro construction" company in St. Petersburg, but activists were against it. The head of the Frunzensky District suggested renaming "Bukharestskaya" at the beginning of summer. The official proposed several options: "Yekaterininskaya" (for Catherine the Great), "Studencheskaya" (for students), "Profsoyuznaya" (for trade unions), "Institut Profsoyuzov" (institute of trade unions).

However, all these proposals were rejected because 8.45-km long Bucharest Street (near which this Metro station located) is important transport magistral in this district and second longest street in whole city. Speaking in general, four future Metro stations planned to be built at the intersections of Bucharest Street with other streets/avenues.

And St. Petersburg Deputy Governor totally right - if we do not renamed it earlier, what sense to do it three months before opening? There always should be a "point of no return" in such matters.

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I don't want to delve too deeply into this sensitive issue, but to my understanding communist Romania did not have very close relations with the USSR so I doubt there were many objects named after Russia during the Ceausescu period.

I do admit that stations named after Moscow were changed in Prague in 1990 and in Budapest last year. Paris metro, however, has never changed the name of Stalingrad metro station.
Renaming of streets, squares and stations is a personal matter of each city. I just want to mentioned that it is not in the Russian traditions of recent decades to do it after change of geopolitical allies. It was Soviet tradition, it's tendency in Eastern Europe, but not in present-day Russia.

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What I wonder is whether the MID guy who wrote that letter got Budapest confused with Bucharest, because it was in Budapest (Hungary) that there was a big hullabaloo last year about changing the name of Moscow Square to Szell Kalman Square (and concurrently changing the name of the M2 metro station named after the square).
I don't even think that this guy knows about this fact. And even if he know, I don't sure that it's so important for Foreign Ministry.

The reality is that today Russian politicians have bad diplomatic relations with Romania (concerning NATO anti-missle defense, Moldovian issue, Georgian relations, etc). There are no such problems with Hungary. I can't say that Russian diplomatic relations with Hungary are excellent, but it's much better than with Romanian politicans. That's real reason for their letter.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 07:45 AM   #2404
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The reality is that today Russian politicians have bad diplomatic relations with Romania (concerning NATO anti-missle defense, Moldovian issue, Georgian relations, etc). There are no such problems with Hungary. I can't say that Russian diplomatic relations with Hungary are excellent, but it's much better than with Romanian politicans. That's real reason for their letter.
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The head of the Frunzensky District suggested renaming "Bukharestskaya" at the beginning of summer. The official proposed several options: "Yekaterininskaya" (for Catherine the Great), "Studencheskaya" (for students), "Profsoyuznaya" (for trade unions), "Institut Profsoyuzov" (institute of trade unions).

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As it was found, there happened real detective story. One Rector of Institute of Trade Unions wanted to name station in the honour of own institute. With the help of his friend (a little-known Deputy of State Duma), they sent a request to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the character of interstate relations between Russia and Romania. First Deputy Foreign Minister Andrey Denisov (who is also friend of Rector) wrote answer about actual problems in these relations. It's dated August, i.e. before recent parliamentary elections in Georgia (at which Saakashvili lost):
http://www.subwaytalks.ru/download/f...4988&mode=view

Thus, the official letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is no more than personal correspondence of the two deputies, which does not contain any real demands or official requests to rename station.

As result, there happened absurd tragi-comic story in the spirit of yellow press.

Yesterday Governor of St. Petersburg officially confirmed that station will not renamed.

Case closed.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 01:56 PM   #2405
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October 18, 2012. The construction of Metro station "Aviastroitelnaya" ("Aircraft Manufacturing"), which planned to be opened on May 9, 2013:

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Old October 19th, 2012, 02:11 AM   #2406
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As it was found, there happened real detective story. One Rector of Institute of Trade Unions wanted to name station in the honour of own institute. With the help of his friend (a little-known Deputy of State Duma), they sent a request to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the character of interstate relations between Russia and Romania. First Deputy Foreign Minister Andrey Denisov (who is also friend of Rector) wrote answer about actual problems in these relations. It's dated August, i.e. before recent parliamentary elections in Georgia (at which Saakashvili lost):
http://www.subwaytalks.ru/download/f...4988&mode=view

Thus, the official letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is no more than personal correspondence of the two deputies, which does not contain any real demands or official requests to rename station.

As result, there happened absurd tragi-comic story in the spirit of yellow press.

Yesterday Governor of St. Petersburg officially confirmed that station will not renamed.

Case closed.
When I was in Russia in 2008. one of my impresions was that there was no "anti-communist" vandalism, with removing the monuments and changing the names of streets and squers, which is usual for the most of post socialistic states.

Proposed name "Bukarestkaya" is maybe related with some historic good relationships between Russian and Romanian people, and it would be shame to use the politics in this moment of history to spoil some good traditions. After 20 years, political relationships between Russia and Romania will be much deferent, and some turist from Romania, when he/she comes to SPB will se "ooou, that is Bukarestskaya station...". Why some polititions are so stupid to spoil everything?
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There is Bukharestskaya st. where the station is located. There are no plans to rename the street as far as this name has history. The street name itself is a good tribute to Romania, and it won't be changed.
Unlike the Bukharestskaya st., the metro station is a NEW object and it can be named however they like, by the name of nearby street (as it was planned) or somehow else.

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KAZAN METRO

The construction of three Metro stations, which planned to be opened on May 9, 2013.

Metro station "Aviastroitelnaya" ("Aircraft Manufacturing"):

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The readiness of station is 90%:

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Metro station "Severny Vokzal" ("Northern Rail Terminal"), former name - "Moskovskaya" ("Moscow"):

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Metro station "Yńşlek"/"Yunost" ("Youth"), former name - "Dekabristov" ("Decembrists"):

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October 24, 2012. The first train at the Metro station "Gorkovskaya" ("Maxim Gorky"), which planned to be opened on November 4, 2012:

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I think this might have been discussed before, but what are the travel patterns of the new NN metro?

Gorkovskaya-Burevestnik and Moskovksaya-Park Kultury
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Park Kultury-Gorkovskaya and Burevestnik-Moskovskaya
OR something else?
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I think this might have been discussed before, but what are the travel patterns of the new NN metro?

Gorkovskaya-Burevestnik and Moskovksaya-Park Kultury
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Park Kultury-Gorkovskaya and Burevestnik-Moskovskaya
OR something else?
Of course, "Park Kultury"-"Gorkovskaya" and "Burevestnik"-"Moskovskaya". In this case, a much larger number of passengers will be able to ride by Metro to the right bank of the Oka River without transfer to other line.
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Of course, "Park Kultury"-"Gorkovskaya" and "Burevestnik"-"Moskovskaya". In this case, a much larger number of passengers will be able to ride by Metro to the right bank of the Oka River without transfer to other line.
If there is capacity to have Gorkovskaya station serve both lines, why shouldn't they take advantage of it?
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