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Old June 8th, 2013, 01:16 AM   #3061
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Why were the seamen silent on this particular street in the Russian capital?
Because originally there settled veterans and invalides (there was located almshouse for veteran seamen), and the driving of carriages or carts by this street was been officially forbidden. That's why this street and its vicinities were quiet.

Now there located famous prison with same name (Seamen's Silence) and well-known Sokolniki Wagon-Repair Plant (SVARZ).

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Old June 13th, 2013, 02:29 AM   #3062
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Right. So, what it means? Almost all European cities with population of more than 1 million residents have Metro systems.
The most of European cities with population more than 1 milion are capital cities, cities which have the most hadoffices of companies in capital cities (with them, paying of taxes in the main city), and they started the founding metro with 50% or more help from the state.

On other side, there are cities which have more then milion people, and use LRT+commuter rail (Stuttgart, Cologne, Dusseldorf), or cities without any RT (LRT, MRT or BRT), like Belgrade, Thessaloniki, Dublin.
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The tramlines does not exist in the airspace. It will be have interchange with road streets.
That is the stage between mixed and totally separeted public transport. If someone could stop or park a car on the place reservated for public transport without consequences, that mean that there is no rules in that city, nobody is safe, and in that city there are much, much worse problems then transportation.

By my experience on Russian Railways, and expirience of my friends, delays are very rare in very hard winter conditions and with road crossings.
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Why you against Metro? This project have no significant difference from your beloved Metrotram.
It has very significant diferent then short metro line: travel through that short tunnel without transfers. If that underground section is 6km, with average speed of underground (40km/h) that is 9 minutes of trip. With overground public transport (16km/h), that is 22 minutes, but on every transfer you'll loose 5-10 minutes, for 2 transfers 10-20min. If that underground section is a part of long tram line, you'll save 13 minutes. That's the way to make short tunnel really useful. As underground section is longer, metro is better investition. At all, if city couldn't build more then 10km of metro in lessen then 6 years, it's better to use metro infrastructures for trams. Combined system with overhad power supply and third rail is always possible. Of course, surface section of light rail outside of city centers are usually 20-30km/h.
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Can you name me list of Russian cities where are no problems with condition of tram system? At least, Metro tracks are isolated from weather conditions and can be better preserved. Again, who will pay to this team?
Calgary, Edmonton, cities in Switzerland, Norway and Sweden, have hard winter conditions, and use surface rail systems. By my expirience in Yekaterinburg, in hard winter conditions trams sre still moving anyway, compared to cars and busses. But I read some articles on Russian, which describe problems with corrupted city governors in post USSR cities, which want grab the land of tram terminals, or about minibus lobies.
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I can repeat again - the project of fast tram is not attractive for federal authorities. For this reason, they will no finance its construction as they fund Metro.
What the cities of Russia need to wait? 1500 years city anniversary to get federal funds? It is better to spend the money on feasible projects. Always, short tunnels for tramway or commuter railways could be converted to the metro, if there is a full financial construction for 10+km of metro.
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The current project provide cross-river transportation, with construction of ground-level stations in the future. Due to presence of intersections with road street, tram will never provide fast transportation with intervals of 3-5 minutes as in Metro. In order to avoid these intersections, it's need to build underground or over-ground stations for lines of fast tram. As result, it will no different from current Metro project.
Ground transport have better potential to have short intervals. That usually mean lower speed. But, with good despeaching system, it is possible to has 20.000 passengers/hour/direction with premetro.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #3063
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The most of European cities with population more than 1 milion are capital cities, cities which have the most hadoffices of companies in capital cities (with them, paying of taxes in the main city), and they started the founding metro with 50% or more help from the state.

On other side, there are cities which have more then milion people, and use LRT+commuter rail (Stuttgart, Cologne, Dusseldorf), or cities without any RT (LRT, MRT or BRT), like Belgrade, Thessaloniki, Dublin.
This is the list of largest European cities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_in_Europe

As you can see, there are only few cities with population of more than 1 mln. people where Metro systems were not built due to various reasons (Belgrade, Chelyabinsk *, Rostov-on-Don, Birmingham, Ufa, Cologne, Volgograd, Odessa). The vast majority of these cities are located in the post-Soviet space. Also, there are many less-populated cities with Metro system (Sevilla, Bilbao, Rennes, Toulouse, Nuremberg, Brescia, Catania, Lausanne, etc).

* Chelyabinsk is located in the Asian part of Russia rather than in European.

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That is the stage between mixed and totally separeted public transport. If someone could stop or park a car on the place reservated for public transport without consequences, that mean that there is no rules in that city, nobody is safe, and in that city there are much, much worse problems then transportation.

By my experience on Russian Railways, and expirience of my friends, delays are very rare in very hard winter conditions and with road crossings.
Do you understand that railways and urban tramlines are different transport systems? The rail transport is mainly intercity transport, and it's built as separate line.

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Calgary, Edmonton, cities in Switzerland, Norway and Sweden, have hard winter conditions, and use surface rail systems.
Unfortunatly, I have no free time for full analysis of climatic conditions. However, I rapidly checked average monthly temperatures in Clagry, Edmonton, Oslo, Yekaterinburg and Omsk. I can say that winter temperatures in Russian cities (especially in Omsk) are much harsher comparing with Canadian and Norwegian ones. If you not believe, you can do such job for himself.

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By my expirience in Yekaterinburg, in hard winter conditions trams sre still moving anyway, compared to cars and busses.
As I wrote earlier, tram system in Yekaterinburg preserved very well after Soviet collapse. However, the condition of tram system is not good and its rolling stock is quite obsolete. The annual passenger traffic of Yekaterinburg Tram (length of tram network - 185.5 km) is 106.9 mln. rides while annual passenger traffic of Yekaterinburg Metro (length of Metro line - 12.7 km) is only two times less - 48.2 mln. rides. I sure it says a lot - what kind of transport should have more priority for development.

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But I read some articles on Russian, which describe problems with corrupted city governors in post USSR cities, which want grab the land of tram terminals, or about minibus lobies.
Corruption? May be. But more likely, the current situation with condition of tram systems in Russia have much common with similar processes that took place Western Europe in mid-20th century (when much tramway infrastructure was lost as result of rapid automobilization of population - Paris, London, etc). Probably, after few decades Russian authorities will also realized that development of transport infrastructure is best way for solution of the traffic problems.

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What the cities of Russia need to wait? 1500 years city anniversary to get federal funds?
You correctly mentioned that federal authorities are ready to fund Metro construction in regional cities only as part of preparation for large events or anniversaries. As it was written in Russian subforum - of course, Soviet planned economy was not ideal. But, at least, Soviet authorities built Metro systems in regional cities without any connection with large holidays. In ideal, every large regional city should have three Metro lines and about 25 stations. It's pity that they had no time for full realization of these projects in Soviet times.

Currently it was confirmed that only two regional cities can hope on future federal funding of the Metro construction - Nizhny Novgorod (for construction of Metro station near WC stadium) and Omsk (for construction of Metro to the 300th anniversary).

So while they have money - they should to continue work. Otherwise, there will no built any kind of rapid transport.

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It is better to spend the money on feasible projects. Always, short tunnels for tramway or commuter railways could be converted to the metro, if there is a full financial construction for 10+km of metro.
There is good quote from one popular Soviet song - "Where is money, Zina?". Do you realize that it's need at least one year for preparation and approvement of technical project of reconstruction? Even if this project will be ready and approved, who will fund it?

There existed or exists plans for construction of rapid tram in 21 Russian cities - Belgorod, Cheboksary, Irkutsk, Kaliningrad, Kirov, Krasnodar, Krasnoyarsk, Lipetsk, Moscow, Novosibirsk, Oryol, Penza, Perm, Ryazan, Saint Petersburg, Tomsk, Tver, Ufa, Ulyanovsk, Voronezh, Yekaterinburg. Where all these tramlines? During recent years, we heard many words about future construction of rapid tramlines in Yekaterinburg and Novosibirsk. Few days ago in Novosibirsk was even held transport conference with participation of specialists from Czech Republic and Germany.

In late Soviet years, there were also plans for cosntruction of rapid tramlines in Angarsk, Barnaul, Cheboksary, Cherepovets, Irkutsk, Ivanovo, Kazan, Kemerovo, Krasnodar, Kursk, Leningrad, Naberezhnye Chelny, Novokuznetsk, Omsk, Penza, Saratov, Tolyatti, Yaroslavl. But as a result, all these planned rapid sections became part of the ordinary tramlines (except Cherepovets and Tolyatti where tramlines were never built).

That's sad reality. There will no LRT system in near future.
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ST. PETERSBBURG METRO

June 11, 2013. The construction of the own vestibule of Metro station "Spasskaya" ("Saviour"; Line 4; opened on March 7, 2009) which is planned to be opened on November 7, 2013:

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Old June 18th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #3065
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June 7, 2013. Port of Saint Petersburg. The three Metro cars for the second "NeVa" six-car train (manufactured by "Škoda Transportation", Czech Republic) were delivered to the city. More information about product - Link:

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June 7, 2013. "NeVa" cars at the Kirov Plant, St. Petersburg:

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June 12, 2013. Kiel, Germany. The remaining three Metro cars of the second "NeVa" train:

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June 20, 2013. The construction of Metro station "Alabinskaya" ("Pyotr Alabin") which planned to be opened in 2015:

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June 24, 2013. The construction of the own vestibule of Metro station "Spasskaya" ("Saviour"; Line 4; opened on March 7, 2009) which is planned to be opened on November 7, 2013:

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The project of the extension of the Sormovskaya Line 2 from Metro station "Moskovskaya" ("Moscow") to station "Volga":

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The project of Metro station "Strelka" ("Spit"; Line 2) which planned to be built in 2014-2017:

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Is there any future plan to extend this line further north crossing river Volga? Furthermore itīs long ago I heard something about an extension from Burevestnik further east. Seems to be a dead project?

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On other side, there are cities which have more then milion people, and use LRT+commuter rail (Stuttgart, Cologne, Dusseldorf)
Only Cologne has slightly more than 1 million inhabitants, the other cities have densely populated urban areas served by S-Bahn with > 1 million inh.. The main difference between german and russian cities is, that russian cities usually have densely populated parts far away from the city, whereas german cities mailnly spread into suburban single-housing estates. Russian cities are metro-affin or to say made for public transport.

One could put the same question why Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds do not have a "real" metro because Great-Britain is a rich country. They probably do a better job improving urban-rail and light-rail.

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Is there any future plan to extend this line further north crossing river Volga?
Well, last year there was commissioned long-awaited Metro bridge across Oka River. The construction of this bridge was started in 1992 and lasted for 20 years. That's why I guess city authorities has no big desire and financial possibilities to start another river-crossing construction (Metro bridge or underground tunnel).

Also, potential passenger traffic from the neighboring town of Bor (located at the other bank of Volga) is not so high to justify this construction.

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Furthermore itīs long ago I heard something about an extension from Burevestnik further east.
I guess you meant "extension from Burevestnik further west".

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Seems to be a dead project?
This project is not dead, but it has lowest priority among three potential directions for Metro extension. Also, there is not solved problem with railways at the place of which this extension planned to be realized.

If you are interested, I described current situation in Nizhny Novgorod (as well as in other Russian Metro cities) three months ago.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post101542982
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I guess you meant "extension from Burevestnik further west".
Yes, sorry for that. Yes, now that they reached the old city crossing the Oka they will be add the segment to Sennaya hopefully. Glad to see that this city creates a real metro-backbone. I still hope that Samara-Metro will reach more important places in the city. Sadly those both systems had been hit by the collapse of Soviet-union in a state, when there were still not big enough I suppose.

Concerning new projects, if funds are ever available, Rostows line 1 would still be a metro-worth project, imho. I personally regret that Ufa-metro-project was suspended. Ufa is a city with a significant north-south-expansion.

Still two questions please. Rumour has it that Rostow-metro was to be started at 1984 and for political reasons Krasnoyarsk made the race. Donīt know if itīs true? Did Ufa metro-construction really started (at the yard) or do they only made prelimanery works like moving sewers etc.?

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Still two questions please. Rumour has it that Rostow-metro was to be started at 1984 and for political reasons Krasnoyarsk made the race. Donīt know if itīs true?
No, I don't think so. By 1984, the project of Rostov Metro was not ready yet. The project was ready in 1988, but in the times of perestroika there was no money on funding of the construction of new Metro systems (the official reason for refusal from construction was high level of groundwaters in Rostov-on-Don).

However, the decision of 1983 about Metro construction in Krasnoyarsk and Riga (the population of both cities didn't reached 1 million residents by that moment) was clearly political (Konstantin Chernenko, Soviet ruler in 1984-1985, was born in Krasnoyarsk Region).

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Did Ufa metro-construction really started (at the yard) or do they only made prelimanery works like moving sewers etc.?
Only some preliminary works.
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July 3, 2013. The testing of new "NeVa" train at the Nevsko-Vasileostrovskaya Line 3:

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July 16, 2013. The construction of the own vestibule of Metro station "Spasskaya" ("Saviour"; Line 4; opened on March 7, 2009) which is planned to be opened on November 7, 2013:

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The excavations at the site of the Assumption (Saviour) Church (constructed in 1753-1765; blown up on February 1, 1961) which planned to be restored:

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