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Old January 21st, 2011, 07:27 AM   #781
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what's the situation with Zolotaya Niva in Novosibirsk?

Everyone got a sneak peak in October and then they closed it down.

What a tease!
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Old January 21st, 2011, 07:44 AM   #782
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what's the situation with Zolotaya Niva in Novosibirsk?

Everyone got a sneak peak in October and then they closed it down.

What a tease!
According to rumors, there was happened a deformation (curvature) of the tunnel rings that led to poor waterproofing. It is expected that station could be open this summer.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 08:18 AM   #783
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According to rumors, there was happened a deformation (curvature) of the tunnel rings that led to poor waterproofing. It is expected that station could be open this summer.
let's hope it won't be a nine-year closure like the 1995-2004 interruption of Line 1 in St Petersburg
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let's hope it won't be a nine-year closure like the 1995-2004 interruption of Line 1 in St Petersburg
There was a more serious situation in St. Petersburg. The whole line was divided into two parts. In Novosibirsk, Metro will operate as it was before the opening of "Zolotaya Niva".
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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:57 PM   #785
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OMSK METRO

Omsk is a Russian city located in southwestern Siberia, it is the administrative center of Omsk Oblast. It is Russia's second-largest city east of the Ural Mountains, and 8th by size nationally. Omsk is 1389 miles (2235 km) distant from Moscow.

During the Imperial era, Omsk was the seat of the Governor General of Western Siberia, and later of the Governor General of the Steppes. For a brief period during the Russian Civil War in 1918–1920, it served as the capital of the anti-Bolshevik Russian State and held the imperial gold reserves.

Omsk is the administrative centre of the Siberian Cossack Host. It also serves as the see of the bishop of Omsk and Tara, as well as the administrative seat of the Imam of Siberia.

ORIGINAL PROJECT:

Omsk Metro is currently under construction in Omsk, Russia. After long delays, the first section is scheduled to open in 2016, which will make it Siberia's second metropolitan underground railway system after the Novosibirsk Metro system that was opened in the mid 1980s.

Central planners in Moscow first identified Omsk as a metro-eligible city during the 1960s, due to its length along the Irtysh River and its relatively narrow streets. But after the plan was approved and financed, the planners decided to build an express tram instead, and the money allocated to Omsk was given to Chelyabinsk. In 1979, a Gosplan commission rejected a plan to build an express tram system since it was predicted to be unable to handle projected passenger flows without severely discomforting riders. In 1986, Metro plans were revisited and financing began, along with the demolition of residential buildings to make way for tracks and a yard.

Construction began in 1992 between the stations "Tupolevskaya" ("Andrey Tupolev") and "Rabochaya" ("Workers' Station"). The initial plans involved opening the section between the stations "Marshala Zhukova" ("Marshal Zhukov") and "Rabochaya" on the right bank of the Irtysh River to connect downtown to the manufacturing district, and then later to connect the line to the opposite bank of the Irtysh. Due to poor financial circumstances, by 2003 just the section between "Tupolevskaya" and "Rabochaya" was completed (with no intermediate stations). At this time the plans changed and the authorities decided to connect the two banks of the Irtysh with a Metro bridge, going between one station on the right bank and three on the left bank. The combined Metro (lower level) and motor-vehicle (upper level) bridge was built and opened to vehicular traffic in 2005.

The current phase of construction involves four stations:
1) "Biblioteka Imeni Pushkina" ("Pushkin Library")
2) "Zarechnaya" ("Beyond the River")
3) "Kristall" ("Crystal")
4) "Sobornaya" ("Cathedral")

This section is 6.1 km in length. The average speed is expected to be 36 km/h and travel time along the entire route is expected to be 10 minutes 12 seconds. Daily ridership is projected at 190.000 passengers and yearly ridership at 69 million.

Plans call for the line to be extended on the right bank of the Irtysh to "Rabochaya" station (the section between "Tupolevskaya" and "Rabochaya" is partially complete). The first line is planned to have 11 stations and a total length of 13.6 km, with an additional Metro bridge over the Om River, by 2015 or 2016 (the latter date is the 300th anniversary of Omsk). When the line is complete, it is expected to have a daily ridership of 330.000 passengers.

Construction of the second line will start after 2015. It will go on the right bank of the Irtysh, mostly parallel to the river. Transfer to the first line will be available at "Biblioteka Imeni Pushkina". This line is expected to have twenty stations. At the same time, the first line is planned to be extended on the left bank by four stations.

The third line will not be built until the distant future. If built, it will likely be on both banks of the Irtysh, like the first line.

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NEW PROJECT:

In 2008, as result of the global financial crisis which was caused by the irresponsible U.S. policies, the federal goverment decided to stop funding of the Metro construction in Russia. Thus, financing the construction of the Omsk Metro has been reduced dramatically.

In December 2011 will be opened first Metro line in Almaty, Kazakhstan (population of Almaty is 1.42 mln. people). Thus, in 2012 Omsk will be the most populated city (1.134 mln. people) on the territory of the former Soviet Union without the Metro system It's a sad fact to 2016, when will be celebrated 300-anniversary of the Omsk's foundation


To improve the situation, officials began looking for ways to increase funding of the Metro construction.

AND THEY FOUND IT!!!!!!!

THEY REPRESENTED INNOVATIVE METRO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:59 PM   #786
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INNOVATIVE OMSK METRO

Scheme of the Omsk Metro:

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The first stage of the Metro construction (before 2016):

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The second stage of the Metro construction (after 2016):

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The perspective scheme of the Omsk Metro. Pink section - the first stage; red/yellow - second stage:

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Cross-sections of the Omsk Metro. Left top - deep-level tunnels; left bottom - shallow tunnels; right top - overpass sections; right bottom - ground-level sections:

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Trains of the future Omsk Metro. Project variant - 4-carriages train which managed by driver (the total length - 76.8 km; capacity - 144 seats and 402 standing (4 passangers per square km.); carrying capacity in the peak hours - 12.000 passangers per hour).

Innovative variant - 2-carriages train with automatic control (the total length - 39.6 km; capacity - 84 seats and 212 standing (4 passangers per square km.); carrying capacity with 90-seconds time intervals between trains - 12.000 passangers per hour).

Innovative variant - 3-carriages train with automatic control (the total length - 59.4 km; capacity - 126 seats and 318 standing (4 passangers per square km.); carrying capacity with 90-seconds time intervals between trains - 18.000 passangers per hour):


omskplan

Optimization of the Metro construction in Omsk:
1) Underground hall of the station. Project variant: passanger area - 4440 sq.m.; technical area - 3586 sq. m.; service area - 1312 sq.m. Innovative variant: passanger area - 3346 sq.m.; technical area - 2441 sq.m.; service area - 1432 sq.m. Reducing of the length of the platform - 48 metres, reducing of the total length of the station - 116 metres. Savings - 50%.

2) Engineer building. Project variant: total area of the building - 17911.6 sq.m.; area of the underground part - 1434.8 sq.m.; area of the overground part - 16476.6 sq.m.; the total volume of the building - 80122.6 cub. m.; the volume of the underground part - 15435.4 cub. m.; the volume of the overground part - 64687.2 cub. m. Innovative variant: this building is not necessary. Savings - 100%.

3) Metro depot. Project variant: total area - 16 hectares. Innovative variant: total area - 8.4 hectares. Savings - 45%.

4) The Metro lines. Project variant: underground tunnels. Innovative variant: overpass lines. Savings - 50%.

5) The Metro lines. Project variant: underground tunnels. Innovative variant: ground-level lines. Savings - 85%:


omskplan

Optimization of the Metro construction in Omsk:
1) Stations. Project variant: underground stations. Innovative variant: ground-level stations. Savings: reducing of the cost of construction in 7 times.

2) Stations. Project variant: underground stations. Innovative variant: overpass stations. Savings: reducing of the cost of construction in 5 times.

3) Trains. Project variant: 4-carriages train with driver. Innovative variant: 2-carriages train with automatic control. Savings: reducing of the cost on construction of the lines on 50-60%.

4) Objects of the civil defence. Project variant: rooms with filtration and other systems. Innovative variant: no necessary in such objects. Savings: 100%.

5) Total personal. Project variant: 1200 persons. Innovative variant: 400 persons. Savings: reducing of the cost on the service for personal in 3 times:


omskplan

Optimization of the Metro construction in Omsk. Project variant / innovative variant:

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The variants of the trains for the Omsk Metro:

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THE STATIONS OF THE FIRST STAGE:

1) "Biblioteka imeni Pushkina" ("Pushkin Library"):

omskplan

Project variant / innovative variant:

omskplan

Project variant / innovative variant:

omskplan


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2) "Zarechnaya" ("Beyond the River"):

omskplan

Project variant / innovative variant:

omskplan

Project variant / innovative variant:

omskplan

3) "Kristall" ("Crystal"):

omskplan

Project variant / innovative variant:

omskplan

Project variant / innovative variant:

omskplan

4) "Sobornaya" ("Cathedral"):

omskplan

Project variant / innovative variant:

omskplan

Project variant / innovative variant:

omskplan

5) Ground-level station "Rokossovskogo" ("Konstantin Rokossovsky"):

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THE STATIONS OF THE SECOND STAGE:

"Torgovy Tsentr" ("Trade Center"):

omskplan


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Overpass stations "Molodyozhnaya" ("Youth Station"), "Solnechnaya" ("Solar Station"), "Zapadnaya" ("Western Station") and "Zakhlaminskaya":

omskplan


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Ground-level stations "Tyukalinskaya" and "Goryachy Klyuch" ("Hot Spring"):

omskplan

Ground-level station "Druzhino":

omskplan

Metro depot (project variant - 16 hectares / innovative variant - 8.4 hectares):

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In 2008, as result of the global financial crisis which was caused by the irresponsible U.S. policies, the federal goverment decided to stop funding of the Metro construction in Russia. Thus, financing the construction of the Omsk Metro has been reduced dramatically.
"Irresponsible US policies" seemed to have a disproportionate effect on Omsk, much more than on Moscow, St Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Kazan or Nizhny Novgorod which have all been steadily building and expanding their metros over the past several years while Omsk (and Donetsk) continue to be internationally infamous subway embarrassments.

Maybe Russian political technology and political favors are partly to blame for why Kazan (a city of similar population to Omsk) already has a seven-station metro while Omsk is reverting to "innovation" (a fancy way of saying some of the stations will be built above ground to expose passengers to the frigid teeth-chattering Siberian air) to pursue its public-transportation goals.

Aren't irresponsible Soviet policies the reason neither Chelyabinsk or Omsk has a metro?

They should spend more time building, less time blaming.


This woman from the future is happily surprised that Omsk finally has a metro and is throwing her arms to the side in exhilaration!

But I am quite relieved to see that Omsk's metro render-artists expect that when this metro finally gets built, Siberian women can still dress like European or American women and that the fundamental Muslim jihadists have not yet taken over Russia.
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"Irresponsible US policies" seemed to have a disproportionate effect on Omsk, much more than on Moscow, St Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Kazan or Nizhny Novgorod which have all been steadily building and expanding their metros over the past several years while Omsk (and Donetsk) continue to be internationally infamous subway embarrassments.
Of course. It 's much more easier to finance the expansion of the existing Metro lines, rather than spend money on the construction of new Metro systems. Undoubtly, the financial capacities of Moscow and St. Petersburg can not be compared with other cities. By the way, Novosibirsk can not open a new station within five years and since 1993 there was opened only one ground-level station in Nizhny Novgorod (2002).

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Maybe Russian political technology and political favors are partly to blame for why Kazan (a city of similar population to Omsk) already has a seven-station metro...
Kazan got Metro system thanks to personal connections and increase funding to a far-fetched Kazan Millennium (2005).

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...while Omsk is reverting to "innovation" (a fancy way of saying some of the stations will be built above ground to expose passengers to the frigid teeth-chattering Siberian air) to pursue its public-transportation goals.
Public ground transport (tram, bus, trolleybus) exist in many Siberian cities. According to your logic, the expansion of these routes is useless variant?

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Aren't irresponsible Soviet policies the reason neither Chelyabinsk or Omsk has a metro?
Thanks to "irresponsible" Soviet politicies were built Metro system in 6 Russian cities and seven other Soviet republics. More over, Soviet experts took part in the construction of the Metro systems in other states like Czechoslovakia or Hungary. Current Metro systems in post-Soviet states have been built during the Soviet years, and in some countries (like Armenia, Georgia or Uzbekistan) Metro construction was actually stopped many years ago.

During Soviet times the funding of Metro construction was been and in the era of Brezhnev's stagnation, and during chaos of Gorbachev's perestroika! The last time same global financial crisis was been in 1970s, if I'm not mistaken. Then Soviet people did not know about it and did not feel it because the Soviet economy does not depend on American thieves!

For example, now China (which seems like new Evil Empire in American propaganda) has an independent economy as it was in USSR during 1970s. And now there is a record pace for the construction of the Metro lines. During the last 40 years China has built more Metro lines than the USA during 140 years!

Without the collapse of the Soviet Union, we would have had a lot more stations and more cities with the Metro system (not only Chelyabinsk and Omsk, but also Krasnoyarsk, Rostov-on-Don and Ufa)!!!

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They have no money for building, this is problem!

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This woman from the future is happily surprised that Omsk finally has a metro and is throwing her arms to the side in exhilaration!
I can understand her gesture.

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But I am quite relieved to see that Omsk's metro render-artists expect that when this metro finally gets built, Siberian women can still dress like European or American women and that the fundamental Muslim jihadists have not yet taken over Russia.
Sorry, I don't want to comment this Russophobic delirium, because it has no any connection with current thread. I'm doubt that you've ever been in Omsk. But you can open the photo section and to see how look women in Omsk (I'm however not an expert in high fashion, especially in women fashion - I'm just wear clothes which more comfortable for me).
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A lot of facts support the theory that the whole crisis was an inside job, but blaming the americans for the poor financing of Omsk metro construction is ridiculous.

Also, offtopic: why of all BRIC countries Russia has suffered most because of the crisis? Seems like not the american government is to blame. Our authorities haven't really improved the situation with the industrial complex in the last decade - hence the devastating effect and the horrible rate of production output index that fell by 8% in 2008.
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Sorry, I don't want to comment this Russophobic delirium, because it has no any connection with current thread. I'm doubt that you've ever been in Omsk. But you can open the photo section and to see how look women in Omsk (I'm however not an expert in high fashion, especially in women fashion - I'm just wear clothes which more comfortable for me).
I would not describe my comment as Russophobic delirium. The fact is that Omsk is not too far from the border with Kazakhstan. Of course, I realize that Kazakhstan is not a Muslim country despite its name (and it has about the same number of Russians as Kazakhs), but the demographic situation in both Russia and Kazakhstan are that the overall population is falling but the Muslim population is rising. So eventually Russia might be in an unfortunate situation with its growing Muslim minority that will have an influence on fashion (as it already does in Kadyrov's Chechnya) but this situation is many decades in the future.

There's no use in arguing over Russia and USA. The truth is both countries have humiliating experiences with expanding their metro networks. The Second Avenue Subway in New York City (which has been under construction on and off for about 80 years) might be even more of an embarrassment than Omsk. Both the New York and Moscow metros have been eclipsed by the one in Shanghai. So it's clear who's in charge.

But what's not so clear is why one would argue that what's happening in Omsk can be attributed to "American thieves." From what I understand, this sorry situation has been going on for 18 years, meaning the problems started way before the current financial crisis began.

There might be a need for Russia to re-evaluate whether Soviet-era nationwide transportation policies (e.g., every city with population of 1m+ deserves a metro) make sense in current times. Cities like Ufa Rostov and Perm feel like they've really lost out because they reached that million threshold around the time of perestroika and had the Soviet Union survived for another 10 years, maybe they'd have metros by now, but they would also be waiting 3 hours in line for fish and waiting 6 months to get their paycheck.
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A lot of facts support the theory that the whole crisis was an inside job, but blaming the americans for the poor financing of Omsk metro construction is ridiculous.

Also, offtopic: why of all BRIC countries Russia has suffered most because of the crisis? Seems like not the american government is to blame. Our authorities haven't really improved the situation with the industrial complex in the last decade - hence the devastating effect and the horrible rate of production output index that fell by 8% in 2008.
It's very difficult for me to understand what you are so insulted. I think it's pointless to deny that the global crisis has been created in USA. So why mention about this fact leads to such a reaction?

Keep your pseudo-patriotic sentiments!
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I would not describe my comment as Russophobic delirium. The fact is that Omsk is not too far from the border with Kazakhstan. Of course, I realize that Kazakhstan is not a Muslim country despite its name (and it has about the same number of Russians as Kazakhs), but the demographic situation in both Russia and Kazakhstan are that the overall population is falling but the Muslim population is rising. So eventually Russia might be in an unfortunate situation with its growing Muslim minority that will have an influence on fashion (as it already does in Kadyrov's Chechnya) but this situation is many decades in the future.
How many Muslims in Siberia? How many Muslims in whole Russia? Please don't need to read many American newspapers! And, bloody hell, why you mentioned about this question in the thread about Russian Urban Transport. This is not Skybar, a La Russophobe blog or forum of WS Journal!


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There's no use in arguing over Russia and USA. The truth is both countries have humiliating experiences with expanding their metro networks. The Second Avenue Subway in New York City (which has been under construction on and off for about 80 years) might be even more of an embarrassment than Omsk. Both the New York and Moscow metros have been eclipsed by the one in Shanghai. So it's clear who's in charge.

But what's not so clear is why one would argue that what's happening in Omsk can be attributed to "American thieves." From what I understand, this sorry situation has been going on for 18 years, meaning the problems started way before the current financial crisis began.
As I'm wrote: "In 2008, as result of the global financial crisis which was caused by the irresponsible U.S. policies, the federal goverment decided to stop funding of the Metro construction in Russia. Thus, financing the construction of the Omsk Metro has been reduced dramatically."

So I don't see nothing wrong with this statement, because it's true. Global financial crisis was really caused by irresponsible U.S. policies. And as result of it, federal goverment really decided to stop funding of the Metro construction in Russia. Previously I'm wrote in same post about history of construction of Omsk Metro in 1990s and 2000s, and it's possible to read what there were no great achievements in Metro construction before global crisis (although some sections, including one station and Metro bridge, were completed).

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There might be a need for Russia to re-evaluate whether Soviet-era nationwide transportation policies (e.g., every city with population of 1m+ deserves a metro) make sense in current times. Cities like Ufa Rostov and Perm feel like they've really lost out because they reached that million threshold around the time of perestroika and had the Soviet Union survived for another 10 years, maybe they'd have metros by now, but they would also be waiting 3 hours in line for fish and waiting 6 months to get their paycheck.
They started to wait 6 months to get their paycheck as result of Soviet collapse. It's obviously, that Soviet collapse caused great damage to the Metro construction in Russia (like the other important state projects).
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AlexeyVT, I'm neither insulted, nor "pseudo-patriotic". Being pseudo-patriotic is repeating stupid propaganda like "all evil comes from the west" in every thread in the foreign section of this forum and making russians in general look stupid. Please, re-read my previous post, switch on your brain and explain how poor financing of Omsk metro is connected to the world financial crisis (which, according to Mr. Putin doesn't affect Russia anymore).

You do a good job posting pictures, maybe you'll stick to that?

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Right! But for some reason you mention american thieves and global financial meltdown and it seems ok to you.

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AlexeyVT, I'm neither insulted, nor "pseudo-patriotic". Being pseudo-patriotic is repeating stupid propaganda like "all evil comes from the west" in every thread in the foreign section of this forum and making russians in general look stupid. Please, re-read my previous post, switch on your brain and explain how poor financing of Omsk metro is connected to the world financial crisis (which, according to Mr. Putin doesn't affect Russia anymore).

Right! But for some reason you mention american thieves and global financial meltdown and it seems ok to you.
Listen, read it carefully. I don't want to repeat it again. It's a fact that in 2008 the federal government cut funding of Metro construction due financial crisis. This is the first time in history when the state refused to fund the Metro construction. Without the crisis, this decision was not taken.

We can many talk why the crisis has affected Russia so seriously, but it's not an economic thread. This is the thread of the Russian Urban Transport. And I'm talking about the fact.

I don't understand why I should explain the connection between the stopping of funding and development of project. No funding - no project. Are you really kid robot? Or do you have another point of view?

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I don't know, kid. I'm just mentioned about obvious fact in the one of 5 posts, and one American pseudo-patriot started to lecture me with crap about poor fashion of Omsk women and about future Muslim expansion in Russia.

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huh, stop political crap. Omsk metro is so slow so it could have been built a long time before crisis. now it can be postponed for some more years. or 10 years. I'm not sure if Omsk needs a metro.
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one American pseudo-patriot started to lecture me with crap about poor fashion of Omsk women and about future Muslim expansion in Russia.
слушай, чувак. чего ты подумал что я американец? перестань нести чушь.

И всем понятно что америкосы тут не причем. Ты наверно веришь тому что читал в комсомолке, что природные пожары в Россие это из за американских экспериментов в Аляске.
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 10:32 PM   #800
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huh, stop political crap. Omsk metro is so slow so it could have been built a long time before crisis. now it can be postponed for some more years. or 10 years. I'm not sure if Omsk needs a metro.
Probably, the situation in Omsk seem better from Riga.

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слушай, чувак. чего ты подумал что я американец? перестань нести чушь.
Now, when we're told how look Russian women comparing with American & European ladies, about Muslim invasion and demographic death of Russia, about future Chinese invasion in Siberia, about Kadyrov & Putin policies, about terrible Soviet times and freezing Siberian air, let me to say few words about development of the Russian Transport.
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