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Old March 20th, 2007, 11:20 PM   #2081
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I kind of agree. I hate unfinished freeways. Would be neat to have a tunnel connecting 70 with 95 and 83 with 395.
considering where 70 ends today, where would a tunnel be possible to connect it to 95?
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Old March 20th, 2007, 11:27 PM   #2082
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considering where 70 ends today, where would a tunnel be possible to connect it to 95?
Not just a tunnel, just the part closer to downtown

Clear-cut Leakin Park, fine with me.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 12:08 AM   #2083
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We'd be Detroit or the Bronx if we had built all those highways...thank God. One good thing Baltimore did, by not doing.

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Old March 21st, 2007, 12:11 AM   #2084
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Not just a tunnel, just the part closer to downtown

Clear-cut Leakin Park, fine with me.


Don't you know where I work!!!!!??????

What a waste of money all that was.....highways tunnels--RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE--talk about subways.

Priorities...priorities.....

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Old March 21st, 2007, 12:30 AM   #2085
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The problem with Harford Run, as with the Jones Falls, is that with the exception of a prolonged rain, the stream smells pretty bad.

While the Jones Falls was covered up in the early 1900s, Canal Street wasn’t covered up until the mid 1950s.

I can’t imagine any benefit of opening us that urban sewer. The Jones Falls, perhaps, but not Central Avenue.
There wasn't any odor when portions of the stream were uncovered a few years ago for the city to repair the supports under Central Avenue, but I suppose it would have to be well maintained and kept clean to prevent it from becoming an eyesore.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 01:25 AM   #2086
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Tunnel connection doesnt make much since from 83 to 395. Why would someone spend two bucks, or however much it costs when it would be completed when it takes less than 10 minutes from lombard to light to conway. Where would the toll plaza go? If it did actually get some traffic volume, it would probably take LONGER to reach 95 via tunnel.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 01:41 AM   #2087
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Daylighting Harford Run under Central Ave

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I suppose it would have to be well maintained and kept clean to prevent it from becoming an eyesore.
If Central were wide enough to create this http://www.urbanitebaltimore.com/sub...&articleID=569 daylighting Harford Run would be worth the investment. Otherwise, a tree-lined median (if that's even possible over a stream) or sidewalks wide enough for a double row of trees would be good.

Of course, the Jones Falls south of Eager would be wide enough ...
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Old March 21st, 2007, 01:51 AM   #2088
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What a waste of money all that was.....highways tunnels--RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE--talk about subways.

Nate
[snip] The extension of I-70 [through Leakin Park] into the city was cancelled, and the federal highway funds allocated were transferred to fully fund the Owings Mills extension (Section B) of the Baltimore Metro rapid rail transit line. [snip]

Excerpted from: "Roads to the Future: Baltimore Early Expressway Planning"
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http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Balt...xpwy_Plan.html

Love a happy ending [snif]
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Old March 21st, 2007, 03:21 AM   #2089
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^Gotta love Willie Don for something......

Of course, deciding to build a station beneath the Jones Falls probably didn't give us the best bang for the buck on Section "C"......

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Old March 21st, 2007, 03:24 AM   #2090
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There is a down side to not having mass transit after all

City's bid for corporate HQ lost in traffic

Atlanta's traffic has gotten so bad that it helped cost the region a Fortune 500 headquarters.

Just over a year ago, MeadWestvaco Corp. (NYSE: MWV), a $6.5 billion packaging conglomerate formerly based in Stamford, Conn., decided on Richmond, Va., for its new $100 million base of operations and up to 1,000 headquarters jobs.




I wonder if Baltimore did anything to attract MeadWestvaco Corp to the city?
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Old March 21st, 2007, 03:40 AM   #2091
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I walked around Calvert and Lombard and did not see anything going on. I may have missed something, but it didn't appear as though visible work was being done. One of the buildings had wooden planks over some entrances and windows, I think.

Also, there appears to be one of the Mercy townhomes still intact, I was down there today (rotator cuff check-up) and saw one of the smaller houses that faced south still standing and not gutted in any way visible from the outside. It abuts the walkway at the western base of the Calvert St garage.

Strange.

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Old March 21st, 2007, 04:16 AM   #2092
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I walked around Calvert and Lombard and did not see anything going on. I may have missed something, but it didn't appear as though visible work was being done. One of the buildings had wooden planks over some entrances and windows, I think.

Also, there appears to be one of the Mercy townhomes still intact, I was down there today (rotator cuff check-up) and saw one of the smaller houses that faced south still standing and not gutted in any way visible from the outside. It abuts the walkway at the western base of the Calvert St garage.

Strange.

Nate
yeah, very.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 04:29 AM   #2093
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No tunnels. Give me an amazing subway system instead!
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Old March 21st, 2007, 05:10 AM   #2094
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I walked around Calvert and Lombard and did not see anything going on. I may have missed something, but it didn't appear as though visible work was being done. One of the buildings had wooden planks over some entrances and windows, I think.

Also, there appears to be one of the Mercy townhomes still intact, I was down there today (rotator cuff check-up) and saw one of the smaller houses that faced south still standing and not gutted in any way visible from the outside. It abuts the walkway at the western base of the Calvert St garage.

Strange.

Nate
My wife fell over two weeks ago and dislocated her shoulder. She did not have a torn rotator cuff. She chipped a bone, though. She has to wear this brace for 2 more weeks, then therapy. Very painful experience. She is out of work for at least 4 weeks. That hurts.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 06:08 AM   #2095
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No tunnels. Give me an amazing subway system instead!
I agree. I just want the red line and the yellow line. the blue line sucks and doesn't go anywhere.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 06:37 AM   #2096
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^If all we get is the Red and Yellow Lines done before I die, I'll be happy. It'll happen, if they are the same line .

The "Blue" Line (it wishes it could have a color to hide it's true nature), does suck, and will forever suck, and forever go to many irrelavent destinations.

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(Alright, I'll try to be nicer, sorry Willie)
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Old March 21st, 2007, 06:53 AM   #2097
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[snip] The extension of I-70 [through Leakin Park] into the city was cancelled, and the federal highway funds allocated were transferred to fully fund the Owings Mills extension (Section B) of the Baltimore Metro rapid rail transit line. [snip]

Excerpted from: "Roads to the Future: Baltimore Early Expressway Planning"
Copyright © 1998-2003 by Scott Kozel

http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Balt...xpwy_Plan.html

Love a happy ending [snif]
That guys site is the be all and end all for local highway transit history.

Your 83 to 95 tunnel became the 795 extension.

Unfortunetly we don't have any approved 90% fed funded highway projects left to trade in for a subway. Most of the intial cost of the DC subway was from cancelled highways.

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Old March 21st, 2007, 06:54 AM   #2098
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considering where 70 ends today, where would a tunnel be possible to connect it to 95?
Didnt the city recently tear down the old ghost ramps were 70 was to hit 95 at canton ave?
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Old March 21st, 2007, 06:59 AM   #2099
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Take this as anecdotal evidence, but a friend of mine bought a house in the Hollins market area in 2001 for <40k (this was literally all he could afford), we made fun of him for living in a shady area. But he said he had no problems, did some very minor repairs (no house flipper he) and sold it in 2006 for <110,000.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 07:04 AM   #2100
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If Central were wide enough to create this http://www.urbanitebaltimore.com/sub...&articleID=569 daylighting Harford Run would be worth the investment. Otherwise, a tree-lined median (if that's even possible over a stream) or sidewalks wide enough for a double row of trees would be good.

Of course, the Jones Falls south of Eager would be wide enough ...
Harford Run is barely even a stream; it is generally dry unless it rains. The only reason water is down there at all is from the harbor water that back-flushes into the canal.

Jones Falls is a legitimate stream; while I would have no problems seeing it opened up south of Penn Station, but keep in mind the main reason it was covered up in the first place: flooding.

As to wastewater improvements, sure, that will help remedy a significant portion of pollutants, but the stream still flows thorough urban areas, and with reduced turbidity, it always will have a stale odor, at best...
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