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Old April 17th, 2007, 04:19 AM   #2941
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yeahhh.....

To the point, where did the 400,000 figure come from anyway?
good question. dave, you're the one that originally posted under armour needing office space. where did you get that from?
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Old April 17th, 2007, 01:27 PM   #2942
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Does anyone know how tall Naing Towers will be?
Where is this building you are refering to to be built?
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Old April 17th, 2007, 04:07 PM   #2943
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Old April 17th, 2007, 07:10 PM   #2944
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Where is this building you are referring to to be built?
One of Richard Naing's buildings is proposed for the SW corner of Guilford and Pleasant (where Hammerjack's used to be) and the other's about two blocks away on the SE corner of Gay and Saratoga (where Klein trains used to be). More at his website.
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Old April 17th, 2007, 08:05 PM   #2945
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I watching local news the other day and they showed a shot of the south shore of the Inner Harbor. The Ritz project has changed/is changing the landscape of that area so drastically. I hope it looks better when its done.
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Old April 17th, 2007, 08:20 PM   #2946
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Yeah. For now The Ritz is nothing short of u.g.l.y.

And Naing's towers are pretty drab also.
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Old April 17th, 2007, 10:47 PM   #2947
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And Naing's towers are pretty drab also.
Pretty sure those images are placeholders while Naing works the numbers and figures out total sf of office, residential, etc. They have that "had my assistant put this together in Photoshop" look.
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Old April 17th, 2007, 11:29 PM   #2948
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Dear Icon Supporters

The Icon Project will come before the Land Use & Transportation Committee for the City Council on April 18th at 5:00 pm at City Hall. In order for the project to advance in a timely fashion, it is critical that we have a strong showing of support, as evidenced by e-mails and attendance at this very crucial hearing.

If there is any way you can, please come to the hearing to show your support. While not everyone will be allowed to speak, your presence alone will be a powerful statement in favor of the project.

In addition, please send an e-mail today in support of the project to:

Councilman Edward Reisinger at [email protected]

With copies to:

[email protected]
[email protected]
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And a blind copy (bcc) at:

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Councilman Reisinger is the chairman of the committee. Even if you have sent e-mails in the past, it is important that your elected officials hear from you before the hearing next week.

Thank You.
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Old April 18th, 2007, 01:53 AM   #2949
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Thanks, Steven. I just sent them an e-mail.
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Old April 18th, 2007, 01:55 AM   #2950
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me too.....




Steven......whats the latest on 10 IH? Expecting an e-mail this week?
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Old April 18th, 2007, 03:15 AM   #2951
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Pretty sure those images are placeholders while Naing works the numbers and figures out total sf of office, residential, etc. They have that "had my assistant put this together in Photoshop" look.
Personally I think that it will be many moons before the Naing towers materialise, if ever. I mean look how long 1 Light Street or 300 E. Pratt St. has been "proposed" and still nufink! And those two are in areas that have seen a lot of development around them.

I wonder when this forum will go to 3000 + posts, it's not very far numerically speaking although there hasn't been a lot of things to talk about recently.
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Old April 18th, 2007, 03:38 AM   #2952
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We're almost at 100,000 views also
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Old April 18th, 2007, 03:53 AM   #2953
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Thanks, Steven. I just sent them an e-mail.
No problem, Peter.
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me too.....




Steven......whats the latest on 10 IH? Expecting an e-mail this week?
Not sure, yet. I was hoping to get one by now.
Time...Keeps flowing like a river.....
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Old April 18th, 2007, 04:58 AM   #2955
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i sent them an email too regarding icon. however i'm against the project. as much as i love sky scrapers, the placement of it is bad urban design. i actually like the tower. i think it looks very pleasing and slender, but that location is the wrong place for it.

cheers anyway. civility rocks!
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Old April 18th, 2007, 05:40 AM   #2956
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Canton tower plan appears headed for defeat
Proposal goes before City Council's land use committee Wednesday
By Jill Rosen
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Originally published April 17, 2007, 9:44 PM EDT
A $75 million proposed waterfront tower that has riled Canton for nearly two years might become the first significant Baltimore project to die in recent memory.

The Icon, which goes before the City Council's land use committee Wednesday evening, faces unambiguous opposition from key city leaders, including the council member representing the Southeast Baltimore district and Mayor Sheila Dixon. With no overt support on the council and a thumbs-down from the mayor who must ultimately sign the bill, officials say the project is likely to die in committee.

City Councilwoman Rochelle "Rikki" Spector said Tuesday that things look so grim for the project that there was talk of canceling Wednesday's hearing.

"What is the value of even having the hearing if you know its going to be dead on arrival?" Specter said. "Recognizing that no matter what the committee would do, the mayor would not sign it."

Andy Frank, Baltimore's deputy mayor for development, said Dixon will not support the Icon because she shares the Canton community's concerns about how the tower might overload congested Boston Street.

"This project has shone a light on traffic and density in Southeast Baltimore, and it's an appropriate light," Frank said. "I have the same concerns the mayor has."

The Icon, a condominium and retail project, would rise about 260 feet, or 23 stories, from what is now a parking lot for the Lighthouse Point shopping center, a nondescript waterfront plaza anchored by a Blockbuster Video.

Before it can be built, the City Council must allow what is called a "major amendment" to Lighthouse Point's 1980s building plan so that the developers could put more on the property than what was originally allowed.

To build higher than 72 feet, the developers also need an amendment to Canton's urban renewal ordinance.

These changes have not only been endorsed by the city's Planning Department, but also by Baltimore's Planning Commission and its design review panel.

Despite the opposition from community and city leaders, the project's developers remain confident that the Icon will be built.

Marco Greenberg, vice president of the Timonium-based Cignal Corp., said the council should defer to city planners.

"The experts are recommending this thing, and I don't know how the administration can ignore the recommendation of city agencies," he said. "Ultimately [the project is] good for the neighborhood, and it's good for the city."

In the summer of 2005, Cignal began introducing the planned Icon to Canton's cluster of community associations, who greeted what was then a more ambitious proposal -- taller and with an ad joining hotel -- with skepticism.

One association after another declared the project overwhelming and too much building for the space.

That sentiment did not change -- even as Cignal scaled back its plans.

"I think there is a small but very vocal group in the community who just doesn't want to see anything built on the site," Greenberg said. "'Don't build anything' is not a compromise."

Nancy A. Braymer, a Canton Square resident and Icon opponent, insists the project is inappropriate for the neighborhood -- too tall and too dense.

"What positive justification has the developer and the Planning Department offered in support of this proposal?" she said. "The only rationale that has been articulated is that currently, the property is not being put to 'its highest and best use.' 'Highest' is not the same as 'best.'" Braymer acknowledges that the city could use the $3.5 million a year in taxes Cignal says the Icon will deliver. But, she adds, it is not worth it.

"This economic justification is short-sighted," she said, "and does not consider the costs and benefits to the surrounding community and the city."

In the weeks leading up to Wednesday's hearing, lobbying by the community and the developers has -- in the words of City Councilman Edward L. Reisinger, who heads the land use committee -- been aggressive.

Teams of neighborhood association leaders have gone from one council member's office to another, just as the developer and its attorneys have. Cignal, its principal and its partners have also given thousands of dollars in campaign contributions to Dixon, her predecessor, Martin O'Malley, and council members.

Both sides are expected to show up Wednesday night with considerable representation. The hearing begins at 5 p.m. in the council chambers of City Hall.

To advance, the Icon needs four votes from the seven-member land use committee. In addition to Spector, three members -- Canton's representative James B. Kraft, Mary Pat Clarke, and Kenneth N. Harris Sr. -- have stated their opposition.

Other committee members have told The Sun that they'll make up their minds after the hearing.

"I'm concerned about the notion of turning [the original building plan] on its head," Clarke said. "There were certain assurances there. All of a sudden, it's wide open to renegotiation, and I don't think that's healthy for stability."

Kraft, who has been opposed to the project almost from the beginning and refused late last year to sponsor the necessary bills -- leaving the job to Dixon -- said despite the developer's claim, he and the community are not opposed to seeing something built at Lighthouse Point -- just not the Icon.

"It's not a question of being anti-development. It's a question of this is the wrong project in the wrong place," he said, adding that city planners are wrong to endorse it. "It's just a bad proposal."

With a number of intensive developments in the pipeline for Canton, each expected to put pressure on streets, the mayor has asked the city's transportation department to list traffic abatement projects planned for the area, Frank said.

"We can't just look at the Icon -- it's an aggregate," he said.

Kraft thinks the rest of the council will join Dixon -- and him -- in defeating the Icon.

"It's not over till it's over," he said, "but I feel confident that the members of the committee are going to support the people in the community."
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Old April 18th, 2007, 08:11 AM   #2957
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Baltimore is a town full of ideas and short of money. People keep forgetting the old adage "Money talks and Bullsh*t walks".
If Hale or Paterakis want to build something it's done. The rest of them are just pie in the sky people.

The only successful project Pat Turner has had was renovating a bowling alley and people think he is going to actually build this huge Westport project.
Richard Clake's Big idea is still a parking lot.
I will believe Naing's Towers when I see them.
How long has it taken the Ritz to get off of the ground and it will be a bust before too long.
Harborview is a big flop.
The Icon will never happen.

Baltimore isn't going to take off until the big out of town money rolls in and who knows when that is going to happen?

You can keep going on and on.
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I will believe Naing's Towers when I see them.

Baltimore isn't going to take off until the big out of town money rolls in and who knows when that is going to happen?
Doesn't get much more contradictory than this.....

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The only successful project Pat Turner has had was renovating a bowling alley and people think he is going to actually build this huge Westport project.
Richard Clake's Big idea is still a parking lot.
I will believe Naing's Towers when I see them.
How long has it taken the Ritz to get off of the ground and it will be a bust before too long.
Harborview is a big flop.
The Icon will never happen.
What the heck is your basis for saying this? You provide pretty much no explanation.
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Old April 18th, 2007, 08:37 AM   #2959
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Actually the Ritz was tied up from Lawsuits over developers and the sale of the land. Oprah even bought a place at the Ritz in Baltimore as well
Huge waterfront projects where the city is involved often take a while.
Baltimore has come a long way. Inner Harbor East is all local money. They hae already started construction on a 600 million dollar two tower project there to finish off inner harbor east before the next phase Harbor Point Begins. Where are people from The washington area moving? Baltimore.


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Doesn't get much more contradictory than


this.....


What the heck is your basis for saying this? You provide pretty much no explanation.
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Old April 18th, 2007, 09:33 AM   #2960
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Actually the Ritz was tied up from Lawsuits over developers and the sale of the land. Oprah even bought a place at the Ritz in Baltimore as well
Huge waterfront projects where the city is involved often take a while.
Baltimore has come a long way. Inner Harbor East is all local money. They hae already started construction on a 600 million dollar two tower project there to finish off inner harbor east before the next phase Harbor Point Begins. Where are people from The washington area moving? Baltimore.
I was referring specifically to Naing's Towers which is why that's all I quoted.
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