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Old June 22nd, 2007, 09:32 PM   #4421
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The Daily Record was counting from Saint Paul Street, and the Sun was counting from Calvert Street?
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 09:39 PM   #4422
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The Sun has taken a page out of the City Paper and decided to give us this:
http://essentials.baltimoresun.com/micro_sun/homicides/
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 10:29 PM   #4423
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Can we just ban guns in the city now?
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 10:46 PM   #4424
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Can we just ban guns in the city now?
Amen to that.
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 10:49 PM   #4425
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The Sun has taken a page out of the City Paper and decided to give us this:
http://essentials.baltimoresun.com/micro_sun/homicides/
Ouch, sad to see that cluster on the southern edge of Charles Village.
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 11:21 PM   #4426
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Yall are missing the point. She would like to stay in her neighborhood but she wont be able to. For her, its not about the money, its about being able to stay.

Its the bad part about gentrification and what Ive been complaining about. Baltimore has got to start building TRUE affordable housing. Its slowly but surely pushing people out of their neighborhoods and out of the city and its not right that people who have stuck with the city through the bad are not being able to enjoy baltimores renewal.

You bolded the part about giving her the 153,000 dollars but didnt with rest on the price of new homes starting at 250,000 dollars.

Put yourselves in these peoples shoes. If you were being displaced from your home, you'd feel completely different about the Biopark. If someone said we dont care how long you've lived here. We've got people with more money who are going to live here now whether you own this property or not, you'd think about it differently. You all care so much about ******* views of the water when you can just leave your house and walk up the street to go see it, yet someones home and life within a neighborhood means nothing to you. Seriously Wada, I know you retracted your statement about, just a homeless guy, but that with your sentiment on this lady.. just take ur money and leave.. just doesnt sit right with me.. and I think its sad but Im guessin most people on this forum share the same feelings. GO SKYSCRAPERS!!! MORE HEIGHT!!! YES!!!

Heartless.
If the market dictates that their home needs to be bought so hundreds of other people who pay more taxes than them can live there than they should move the hell out. No one deserves to live in a home. You live where you can afford the home and real estate taxes, no one has some sort of god given right to their plot of land. Money is all that counts. Money, not sentiment towards one particular spot of earth, is what pays for schools, police officers and welfare.

As long as people are paid a fair price based upon market conditions, then I fully support foricibly displacing people for development.
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 11:22 PM   #4427
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Eh, it's ok. I don't get why every tower in Baltimore goes super wide instead of tall and sleek. Is it more expensive that way?
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 11:29 PM   #4428
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A little larger pic:

Could they have tried any harded to make it look like it was not smack dab in the middle of a city.

It would be counter productive to build a hospital tall and not wide. At 276 feet, the existing Mercy building is already the 36th tallest hospital in the world.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 03:16 AM   #4429
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If the market dictates that their home needs to be bought so hundreds of other people who pay more taxes than them can live there than they should move the hell out. No one deserves to live in a home. You live where you can afford the home and real estate taxes, no one has some sort of god given right to their plot of land. Money is all that counts. Money, not sentiment towards one particular spot of earth, is what pays for schools, police officers and welfare.

As long as people are paid a fair price based upon market conditions, then I fully support foricibly displacing people for development.
Not even sure where how to begin to describe how much is wrong with this comment...
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 04:06 AM   #4430
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Not even sure where how to begin to describe how much is wrong with this comment...
There's certainly nothing modest about His proposal.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 04:54 AM   #4431
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While I don't agree with the brash notion of forcing people from their homes, I think that if you are the lone (or one of the lone) holdouts for major redevelopment, you shouldn't stand in the way. 150k for a house that you would be lucky to get 15k for under normal circumstances is really a godsend. I don't know for sure, but I would think that a majority of the holdouts are elderly who have lived there for decades. If I were that person, I'd think more of my family then of myself. I can leave my family 15k or 150k. I think I'd move in with a relative and will the money to my family after I'm gone. I say this as a person who lives in the house that my great-grandparents bought more than 70 years ago and has been in the family ever since.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 05:26 AM   #4432
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There is usually never an easy answer when it comes to expropriation. The choice is usually between doing what's best for the community as a whole or respecting the ownership rights and expectations of a person with regards to their home, which is among the most sacred and fundamental attachments that many will experience.

I'm not against expropriation outright, but I think we seriously need to consider a Constitutional amendment clearly defining when property may be seized and when it may not. The whole Kelo incident and the subsequently passed state laws demonstrate how little we respect the property rights of our citizens, especially when those citizens are poor.

Personally, I think if we're going to force people to live in a world where their only choice is to buy their right to shelter, we need to have greater and clearer restraints on when that right can be compromised.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 05:31 AM   #4433
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I like the Mercy tower. That area of town can be quite drab, and I think this will do a lot to spruce that area up a bit.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 05:35 AM   #4434
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Seems like 150k could be a nice down payment in lots of neighborhoods around town. That part of town has been vegetating on life support for decades. It seems the EBDC has done more than can be expected for those remaining, unfortunate as displacing some long time residents can be.Parts of this town are dead or dying(Check the Sun/City Paper homicide maps to see where)Such transformation, capital investment, and vision are needed for these parts of town to be reborn for the future Baltimore we can start to hope for.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 06:30 AM   #4435
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Amen to that.

Right on. Let's ban those guns. And all of those fine criminals in the city will just turn them all in and go to college or get jobs at Legg Mason. Get with reality. Results and common sense work. Not intentions. You gun grabbers are delusional.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 06:38 AM   #4436
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There is usually never an easy answer when it comes to expropriation. The choice is usually between doing what's best for the community as a whole or respecting the ownership rights and expectations of a person with regards to their home, which is among the most sacred and fundamental attachments that many will experience.

I'm not against expropriation outright, but I think we seriously need to consider a Constitutional amendment clearly defining when property may be seized and when it may not. The whole Kelo incident and the subsequently passed state laws demonstrate how little we respect the property rights of our citizens, especially when those citizens are poor.

Personally, I think if we're going to force people to live in a world where their only choice is to buy their right to shelter, we need to have greater and clearer restraints on when that right can be compromised.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 09:41 AM   #4437
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Mason, there is a bit of a mixup. The Maryland Daily Record says that Mercy's new tower is going to be 15 stories. Today's Baltimore Sun says that it is going to be 18 stories. Can someone clarify the truth on this?
Looking at the rendering, it appears to be 18 floors. As far as square footage, they are probably also counting the 3 underground floors, making a total of 21 levels. Most hospitals have extensive space below ground level.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 04:19 PM   #4438
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While I don't agree with the brash notion of forcing people from their homes, I think that if you are the lone (or one of the lone) holdouts for major redevelopment, you shouldn't stand in the way. 150k for a house that you would be lucky to get 15k for under normal circumstances is really a godsend. I don't know for sure, but I would think that a majority of the holdouts are elderly who have lived there for decades. If I were that person, I'd think more of my family then of myself. I can leave my family 15k or 150k. I think I'd move in with a relative and will the money to my family after I'm gone. I say this as a person who lives in the house that my great-grandparents bought more than 70 years ago and has been in the family ever since.
I think this is pretty much how I feel. I kinda struggle with both sides of this. 150K is nice but it isn't going to do a ton for you when housing is as expensive as it is today. At the same time, one last holdout seems to be a situation where the person should just give it up and move on. I don't know. Tough call.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 04:42 PM   #4439
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Looking at the rendering, it appears to be 18 floors. As far as square footage, they are probably also counting the 3 underground floors, making a total of 21 levels. Most hospitals have extensive space below ground level.
you're right, it's 18 floors. i think some of us may been thrown off because the top 3 floors doesn't have any windows.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 04:52 PM   #4440
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