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Old June 26th, 2007, 06:06 AM   #4501
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Area you sure about Italian-Americans in the Baltimore area coming from the Bologna area ? 5 out of 6 Italians that migrated to the US were from the south and I would be surprised if there were many northerners in Baltimore. In fact, the Italian-Americans I've met here are from the center-south: I was quite surprised at the number of Abruzzesi I met in the Baltimore-Washington area.
You know, I initially wanted to say southern Italy, but for some reason the area about Bologna stuck out in my mind. I'm not entirely sure which it is, it might be southern Italy. I just remember meeting a girl from Bologna, and when I told her that I was from Baltimore, she looked confused for a moment and then responded, "Ah, Baltimora!" I found it very interesting that they had Italian-ized our city name. That usually only happens with very prominent place names.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 06:56 AM   #4502
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People have certainly heard of Baltimore...after all, most people know of Johns Hopkins, its hospital and medical institute, and Applied Physics Laboratory. Increasingly, that name recognition is also going to the School of Public Health.

I don't know of many other cities whose chief draw is its university. That's a type of longevity and prestige most second-tier cities would die for. I can only think of a couple other cities whose identity is so intertwined with their lead university: Vanderbilt in Nashville, Tenn., St. Louis, and Penn in Philly. (Throw in Cambridge, Mass. if you don't regard it simply as a suburb of Boston).
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Old June 26th, 2007, 07:15 AM   #4503
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Everyone has heard of Houston, at least because of NASA. But you are right about Baltimore not having a lot of domestic recognition either, which is something I don't really understand given all the tourists and convention business in the Inner Harbor.
You're right about NASA but Houston always seems to be In Dallas' shadow. But Houston is larger and I think it's the 4th or 5th largest in the US.

City proper population doesn't carry the same weight as it once did. Look at Atlanta and Miami. Relatively small populations but they get a ton of exposure for many other reasons.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 08:46 AM   #4504
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Well Jeremai, if no one in Europe has heard of Baltimore then why is Rotterdam (the largest port in Europe if not the world) naming one of their super tall towers the "Baltimore Tower"?
In all fairness, Jeramai is speaking from experience. Unless you have been abroad and have experienced the opposite, there really isn't much you can say in opposition. As far as Rotterdam's Baltimore Tower... it's our sister city.

My favorite and pretty much only hobby is traveling. Whenever someone asks where I'm from, I offer them a beer if they know where Baltimore is. Most people state that it sounds vaguely familiar, but know nothing about it. Needless to say, I've paid for only a handful beers. When you mention Johns Hopkins, that helps a few people, but still not many. One exception is Japan... I was amazed by how many people recognized my Orioles cap.

However, I don't think you need to be internationally recognized to be a wonderful city. I think some of the best cities in the world fly under the radar. Our larger cities are currently, and will continue to be, more recognizable to other countries. So, it's pretty much a fact that Baltimore ain't the most famous city, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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Old June 26th, 2007, 04:16 PM   #4505
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I did see the NYTimes story about Hopkins. Not only was it negative, but factually incorrect.
BINGO! This was in the Times today. It should be noted that this development will be a mixed income project. So the sales prices are for those who are purchasing without government help. In other words, it is the price of the market rate units not the subsidised units. There will be section 8, public, handicapped, and elderly housing in the mix too.

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An article on June 17 about a redevelopment project in Baltimore that has displaced some longtime residents misstated the amount of space Johns Hopkins University will occupy in the project’s research park. It has agreed to lease about a third of the space in the park’s first building, not “a majority of space” in the park. The article also misstated the lowest price for new housing in the development. While the bulk of the housing will indeed start at $250,000, some one-bedroom units are expected to be available for about $200,000, although prices have not been set. (Go to Article)

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Old June 26th, 2007, 05:46 PM   #4506
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4 Seasons in the middle, Legg Mason tower to the right.

I went to BWI over the weekend and ha not noticed this before.

As you come north on BW parkway and hit the city line, the Marriott and the Vue in harbor east is centered in your view and is very prominent (a hill prevents you from seeing the rest of downtown). With Legg mason being built between them this view will be spectacular.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 06:28 PM   #4507
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Here's my .02. I have spent my entire adult life travelling around the world. I have worked on projects on 6 continents (haven't been to Antartica yet. But I am still young )
For the most part in my travels, people in other countries don't have a clue where Baltimore is located. But there are exceptions. I was pleasantly suprised when I was in Chile that almost everyone knows about Baltimore. I even met a couple of people there that not only knew Baltimore but told me about Dundalk. Evidently, a lot of goods (mainly produce) is shipped from Chile to the Dundalk Marine terminal.
Rotterdam was the same way so was Hong Kong. I ran into people in southern Poland who knew all about Baltimore. A lot of Cubans (I guess from Peter Angelos forays there) know about the Orioles.

BTW, If you ever travel to Cuba take Oriole paraphenalia. It's better than gold.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 06:57 PM   #4508
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I went to BWI over the weekend and had not noticed this before.

As you come north on BW parkway and hit the city line, the Marriott and the Vue in harbor east is centered in your view and is very prominent (a hill prevents you from seeing the rest of downtown). With Legg mason being built between them this view will be spectacular.


the 4 seasons tower is going to be a monster. and remember, this rendering was done when the tower was raised to 36 stories, and now it's 44.

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Old June 26th, 2007, 10:32 PM   #4509
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the 4 seasons tower is going to be a monster. and remember, this rendering was done when the tower was raised to 36 stories, and now it's 44.
Really? 44 stories now very interesting...how tall?

Also that view coming down the hill into town on the BW Parkway gets cooler every year.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 11:36 PM   #4510
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495 ft.? I think. Or is it, 492 ft. ?
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Old June 26th, 2007, 11:51 PM   #4511
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If I recall, it's supposed to be 455 ft (1ft taller than Commerce Tower?)
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Old June 27th, 2007, 12:24 AM   #4512
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Emporis has it listed at 494ft, one foot taller than the William Donald Schaefer Tower, making it Baltimore's third tallest.
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Old June 27th, 2007, 12:54 AM   #4513
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Yeah, u see, that's why i'm a bit confused.
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Old June 27th, 2007, 08:32 AM   #4514
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Level of education has more to do with whether or not somebody has heard of Baltimore than geography. I have met people in the U.S. that haven't heard of Baltimore. What does that tell you?
...that they are some of the same people who think you need a passport to visit New Mexico
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Old June 27th, 2007, 04:16 PM   #4515
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I watched the coverage of the Orioles and Yankees last night. Congrads to the Os for pulling that one out. But the Hilton is really imposing in the view from most of the shots looking to the outfield. I thought that the city was tring to preserve more of the skyline. The Hilton looks like a massive hunk of steel, and its only half-way up. You can also see the smaller structure when looking out toward right field. I though for sure that view would be left for the skyline.

The Yankees announcers, Michael Kay and ex-Oriole Ken Singleton talked about this imposing structure. They were referring to views of the field from the hotel. Perhaps those staying at the Hilton will have the best views. The Yankees announcers were very positive about Camden Yards and the city.

Looking for the the Rocket coming into Camden Yards. That should really pack the house. Everyone thinks it will be the last time they see him pitch, but he keeps coming back. A few years ago I payed $120 to a scalper in San Francisco to see him, since I and others believed it would be the last chance.
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Old June 27th, 2007, 04:25 PM   #4516
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I guess it all balances out in the end. I know people who I grew up with that think the world ends at Frederick to the West, Ocean City to the East, Washington DC to the South and the PA line to the North.

And the scary part is that they have no desire to venture beyond the boundaries.
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Old June 27th, 2007, 04:55 PM   #4517
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You're right Dave. I know many of the same. Their big trip that they look forward to all year is the same July or August week in OC. Amazing.
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Old June 27th, 2007, 05:06 PM   #4518
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Dave...I'm with you. Nationally Maryland enjoys a reputation of being populated by hip, young movers and shakers in government, business, science, etc. and old blue blood residents with even older money. But some natives are really parochial. They just don't venture outside of their comfort zones.

I'm surprised you broadened the bounderies as much as you did. Lots of people I know rarely venture outside the beltway let alone Frederick or York.
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Old June 27th, 2007, 08:10 PM   #4519
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Well, Maryland used to be called "America in Miniature." The covered bridges I see every day on the way to work in New Hampshire look pretty much the same as the ones in Frederick County, the water in OC's a heck of a lot warmer than in Cape Cod, but not as bathwater warm as Florida, and the lighthouses on the Chesapeake are as cool as the one's in Maine. Why leave? ;-)
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Old June 27th, 2007, 08:26 PM   #4520
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I think provincial people are common everywhere. More in places like here, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philly than in NY, DC, Miami, Dallas or Atlanta. Transients are a big factor.

In the east and midwest because people stay where they grew up and where their families grew up. It's comfortable and safe. In CA, the few people who were born there think they are in the center of coolness so why should they travel anywhere else.

There are different degrees of provincialism or different variations. I know a girl who was born and raised in Sacramento. I was talking to her about the Preakness one year and she said, "oh, you have horse racing there?" What a F**king idiot.
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