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Old July 15th, 2007, 08:35 PM   #4881
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Old July 15th, 2007, 09:42 PM   #4882
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You should ahve seen the Dayton Hudson store in Detroit. It was the biggest building I have ever been in. It was 50 stories tall and was so big that at Christmas they had over 20 Santa Clauss's. It had over 30 elevators in it. One of them was capable of fitting an entire tractor trailer. They would pull the truck on to it and drop it in the basement. The basement was 9 floors of warehouse.
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Old July 15th, 2007, 11:45 PM   #4883
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Downtown Detroit Hudson's

It was a beautiful building (though only 25 stories, not 50). I grew up in Detroit and used to go there as a child. It was similar to Macy's in NY or Marshall Field (now Macy's also) in Chicago. For pictures, see:
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Old July 16th, 2007, 01:28 AM   #4884
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Port Covington Sam's/WalMart

So I checked again today while I was down there and feel pretty confident that at least the first half of the rumor is true. The Sam's Club and WalMart are both closing down in January. I was told the replacement stores for these are currently being built. The Sam's is being built in Glen Burnie and there is a Super WalMart going up on Washington Blvd south of the city. Still haven't read any real confirmation as to why this has happened or what will go up in its place... but we've all heard the "trump" rumors which I find hard to believe nobody would have any validation of this by now? Either way, at least we can be fairly confident that land will not be used as it is today.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 04:57 AM   #4885
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Personally I have an ambivalent relation to NIMBY. It certainly protects well funded neighborhoods but sometimes impedes other things. Anybody who is thinking about building or redeveloping in these traditionally conservative and territorial areas like that needs to start out with a clear picture of what is realistic and work with the neighbors, not against them.
Good points. Less well-funded neighborhoods can fight, too: Fells Point was still fairly blue collar when the fight over the highway began in the 60s, and one of the key leaders in the revitalization of Washington Hill was Betty Hyatt, who lived for a time in public housing. That said: money helps. But, again, Tuscany-Canterbury (and particularly the residents of the apartment complex that was demolished) lost the fight over the Calvert School expansion several years ago.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 06:42 AM   #4886
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So I checked again today while I was down there and feel pretty confident that at least the first half of the rumor is true. The Sam's Club and WalMart are both closing down in January. I was told the replacement stores for these are currently being built. The Sam's is being built in Glen Burnie and there is a Super WalMart going up on Washington Blvd south of the city. Still haven't read any real confirmation as to why this has happened or what will go up in its place... but we've all heard the "trump" rumors which I find hard to believe nobody would have any validation of this by now? Either way, at least we can be fairly confident that land will not be used as it is today.
I didn't what trump rumor and that sucks I love shopping at that walmart.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 02:49 PM   #4887
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I didn't what trump rumor and that sucks I love shopping at that walmart.
While I might not like the Walmart, the Sams is very nice to have so close...hopefully a few stores will come to the Paperboard company that will help to make up the difference.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 04:36 PM   #4888
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Old July 16th, 2007, 05:13 PM   #4889
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Nang site progress

Drove by the MB train shop yesterday down near the JFX. Its not there anymore. I am pretty sure that is one of the Nang sites? If so, I guess he is moving forward with something.
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I don't think anything is going to happen very soon at Port Covington. The site is contaminated by heavy metals and there is a lot of marine work/ bulkheading to do ,which is slow work. Those piers are practically in danger of imminient collapse.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 06:13 PM   #4891
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That banner of Pittsburgh does it's skyline no justice. The clouds actually makes it look kind of creepy.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 06:27 PM   #4892
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Drove by the MB train shop yesterday down near the JFX. Its not there anymore. I am pretty sure that is one of the Nang sites? If so, I guess he is moving forward with something.
I am going to miss Klein's downtown. Stopped in ever year for supplies for our traditional Bmore style Xmas garden.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 08:00 PM   #4893
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I am going to miss Klein's downtown. Stopped in ever year for supplies for our traditional Bmore style Xmas garden.
They opened a shop in Hunt Valley off McCormick.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 09:04 PM   #4894
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I don't think anything is going to happen very soon at Port Covington. The site is contaminated by heavy metals and there is a lot of marine work/ bulkheading to do ,which is slow work. Those piers are practically in danger of imminient collapse.
Is that true for the site where WalMart and Sam's are? I didn't hear anything about the actual "Port" itself being affected, just the shopping center area which I didn't notice had any piers. Is there heavy contamination on the Sam's site? If thats true, is that also true for the Baltimore Sun site?
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Old July 16th, 2007, 09:13 PM   #4895
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That banner of Pittsburgh does it's skyline no justice. The clouds actually makes it look kind of creepy.
True.

Though, if you're a native Pittsburgher and recognize the skyline view from Mt. Washington with the fog rising from Monongahela as the sun rises, you might get a bit nostalgic.
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Is that true for the site where WalMart and Sam's are? I didn't hear anything about the actual "Port" itself being affected, just the shopping center area which I didn't notice had any piers. Is there heavy contamination on the Sam's site? If thats true, is that also true for the Baltimore Sun site?
Here's a Port Covington website (photo is pre-Walmart and Sam's). Thought the contamination was related to the rail yards that were there, and that that had been remediated as part of the effort to turn PC into an industrial park.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 10:11 PM   #4897
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Great site. The harbor page seems to affirm something I thought I remembered: when the Beth Steel shipyard was active, the view of the harbor to the east from Federal Hill was obscured.
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Only the section that CSX used to own has been remediated. The locomotive fueling facility is in the process of being bioremediated. The whole area was a dump site for material dredged from the harbor. If I remeber coreectly teh deeds had to be restricted.
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Old July 18th, 2007, 08:16 AM   #4899
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Strange...over 24 hours since the last post!!
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Old July 18th, 2007, 08:21 AM   #4900
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Yea, everyone is waiting for that news on 300 east pratt or 10 inner harbor. I will break the silence however.

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What would Baltimore's Inner Harbor be without the Constellation?

Area residents and visitors may get to find out if a designer's vision becomes reality.

Architects hired to recommend ideas for improving the Pratt Street corridor have floated the idea of moving the historic vessel from Constellation Pier, near the Harborplace shopping pavilions.

Matthew Poe, an architect with Ayers Saint Gross, said during a recent working session with Baltimore's Urban Design and Architecture Review Panel that moving the vessel would enable people to see more of the water's surface from the shoreline.

His firm has prepared a rendering that shows the Inner Harbor without the Constellation, but with its 16-year-old visitor center still in place.

Moving the ship is one of many ideas for the harbor that have surfaced recently, such as a more elaborate Santa Claus House between the Harborplace pavilions in the winter.

The design team, led by Ayers Saint Gross and Olin Partnership, has been throwing out ideas to get reactions from property owners and other "stakeholders" along Pratt Street. Designers say they aim to come up with a final set of recommendations by the end of summer.

The Constellation, an 1854 Navy warship that has been restored to its Civil War appearance, has been berthed at the Inner Harbor on and off for nearly 40 years.

It was moved there in 1969, replacing the old Port Welcome tour boat, which moved to the harbor's west shore. The Constellation was moved away in 1971, while the city built a pier for it, and returned in 1972. It was moved out of the harbor in 1996 for an $8 million restoration and returned in 1999.

The idea of moving it again was not well received by groups that operate the vessel as a public museum, which draws nearly 100,000 visitors a year.

"It's the centerpiece of the Inner Harbor," said Bill Cunningham, vice president of the Living Classrooms Foundation, the nonprofit organization with a subsidiary that operates the Constellation and uses visitor fees to maintain the vessel.

"It's good to think out of the box for Pratt Street," Cunningham said. But "the Constellation is Baltimore, just like the aquarium is. I don't see it moving. That's been our history, and I think it will continue to be."

The Constellation's attendance is largely dependent on its prominent location near Harborplace and the National Aquarium in Baltimore, said Christopher Rowsom, executive director of the USS Constellation Museum. Moving it away from Pratt and Light streets "could affect our visibility," he said.

The location of the Constellation was determined in a 1964 master plan for the Inner Harbor by Wallace, McHarg, Roberts and Todd. The master plan showed a new pier in place of the city's old Pier One, with the Constellation beside it, said Martin Millspaugh, former chief executive of Charles Center-Inner Harbor Management Inc., the agency that starting managing development around the harbor in 1965.

Millspaugh said he was astonished to see a rendering in the newspaper that showed the Inner Harbor without the Constellation.

"From the very beginning, the Constellation has been the sculptural focal point of the urban design of the entire Inner Harbor development," Millspaugh said.

M. Jay Brodie, president of the Baltimore Development Corp., a quasi-public agency that oversees downtown development, attended the meeting at which Poe suggested moving the Constellation.

Brodie said he didn't say anything about the idea during the meeting because he "was being polite." At some time, he said, he plans to have a discussion with the architects about the vessel's historical significance and key role in terms of the urban design of the harbor.

He said the designers would have to present "a compelling reason" for moving the Constellation before the city would seriously consider the idea, and so far he has not heard one.

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