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Old February 17th, 2007, 02:53 AM   #1021
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Oh, another observation: new windows are in about 2/3 of the BGE building at Charles Center. I haven't seen a lot of progress on the plaza, but then again, it's buried under snow. A question: will all of the old BGE facility be apartments, or just those levels above the annex building (you know, the 60s one) that stands in front and that is physically connected to the old structure?

I hope these improvements will make Charles Center more appealing for prospective tenants seeking city convenience and atmosphere without high harbor costs. Can any of you see more small upstarts moving in there?

Also, what of the F&D Building? Is there progress to report, or are all of those construciton materials sitting idle?
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Old February 17th, 2007, 03:25 AM   #1022
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Thank god some of the predictions in that report didn't come true. It estimated the city's population at 627,000 for 2005, for example. I remain skeptical about this project, particularly because of its location, but I wish him all the best. By the way, 60 floors is ridiculous, and it most certainly won't be 60+. There's no market for that many apartments or condominums that far north of the harbor. If I had to bet, I'd say 30-35 floors elevated above street-level retail and perhaps 7-10 floors of parking.
you don't think there's enough market for two 60-floor towers? even with the presence of BRAC in 3-5 years?
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Old February 17th, 2007, 03:34 AM   #1023
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Thank god some of the predictions in that report didn't come true. It estimated the city's population at 627,000 for 2005, for example. I remain skeptical about this project, particularly because of its location, but I wish him all the best. By the way, 60 floors is ridiculous, and it most certainly won't be 60+. There's no market for that many apartments or condominums that far north of the harbor. If I had to bet, I'd say 30-35 floors elevated above street-level retail and perhaps 7-10 floors of parking.
Wow, those projections were way off who ever did the analysis should be embarrassed. The population now is greater than what was projected for 2025!
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Old February 17th, 2007, 04:04 AM   #1024
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you don't think there's enough market for two 60-floor towers? even with the presence of BRAC in 3-5 years?
I would love to see them built, but I have always thought two 60+ towers was way optimistic. Even with BRAC.

However with the 4 season # of condo's cut considerablely, it should make less competition for either 300 E or 10IH.
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Old February 17th, 2007, 04:39 AM   #1025
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Honestly, I'd be happy with one 70+ tower at the 310 Guliford address.
Make the other tower a 40 story tower.
Or, make them two 50 story towers with awesome pointed crowns. Both standing the same height of 800 ft.
Or just one tower that's 80 floors at 1,000 ft. tall.
The other site could be a gas station......
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Old February 17th, 2007, 06:28 AM   #1026
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Zoning is critical to this project, allowing for a FAR of 3 or greater, emphasis should be put on commercial instead of residential (we are close to an airport afterall). If not we will simply end up with another Columbia.
For the area nearest the airport, emphasis should be on commercial, but the area farther from the airport should be residential. The people have to live somewhere, after all. But yes, being near an airport poses some problems--noise and height are two potential problems. An analysis of flight patterns will easily overcome where height and noise may be an issue. County and state officials and developers will obviously have to be smart about this.

As for the FAR, I would hope that planners and developers would be going for something at least 3.0, though depending on whether they're trying to form something more urban or suburban in nature will be a deciding factor. Not sure another office park of mid-rises is what they're going for, though.

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Old February 17th, 2007, 07:52 AM   #1027
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I just can't wait to one 50+ story high-rise breaks ground.
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Old February 17th, 2007, 03:38 PM   #1028
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Damn...I'd really like to go to this, but I dont usually get out of the office until 5:30 or so. Would it be frowned upon if I didnt come in until 6 or so?
get there early!!

the EDSA Team is up first and we have a great mix of national and local expertise!
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Old February 17th, 2007, 05:06 PM   #1029
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Man, I'm jealous! I'd love to go to that meeting.... but, alas, 550 miles away..........
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Old February 17th, 2007, 07:31 PM   #1030
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Hey StevenW or someone, can you post renderings of the Reservoir Hill condos we've heard so very little about lately? And how about the UMMS ambulatory care center building that's about to go up?

thanks,
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Old February 17th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #1031
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Nate, I think you're talking about these? Doesn't look like the developer's site has been updated in a while though. Hopefully they're just stalling due to the market.
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Old February 18th, 2007, 03:55 AM   #1032
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Old February 18th, 2007, 04:07 AM   #1033
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Anyone remember this project?


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Old February 18th, 2007, 04:40 AM   #1034
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Here is my first attempt at photoshopping Baltimore's future skyline. I added in:
1. 10 Inner Harbor
2. 300 East Pratt St.
3. 414 Water St.
4. 701 East Baltimore St.
5. The Vue
6. Four Seasons Tower
7. Legg Mason Tower

Still missing that should appear in the shot are:
1. The Zenith
2. Hilton Headquarters Hotel
3. CityScape
4. Naing Towers


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Old February 18th, 2007, 04:50 AM   #1035
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Is that a view from inside Druid Hill Park?

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Old February 18th, 2007, 05:12 AM   #1036
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looks good pete!
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Old February 18th, 2007, 05:25 AM   #1037
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Nice job, Pete. Am I the only one that absolutely despises both renderings of Cordish tower? It seems like we're finally turning the corner on getting world-class architecture and then we get this clunker. It looks like an ice tray.
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Old February 18th, 2007, 05:31 AM   #1038
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Also, from the "I heard from a guy that knows a guy who's cousin is in the know department" the GBC is leaning toward settling for a 14,000 seat arena and they're talking about sites in South Baltimore. Once again, our decision makers labeling us as a minor-league town. So long forever NBA and NHL dreams. I hope this is bad info btw.
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Old February 18th, 2007, 06:11 AM   #1039
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Also, from the "I heard from a guy that knows a guy who's cousin is in the know department" the GBC is leaning toward settling for a 14,000 seat arena and they're talking about sites in South Baltimore. Once again, our decision makers labeling us as a minor-league town. So long forever NBA and NHL dreams. I hope this is bad info btw.
14,000??? what in the world???? what an ass-backwards idea.

yeah, i hope this isn't true tony. we deserve a world-class sporting facility of atleast 19,000.
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Old February 18th, 2007, 06:17 AM   #1040
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Here is my first attempt at photoshopping Baltimore's future skyline. I added in:
1. 10 Inner Harbor
2. 300 East Pratt St.
3. 414 Water St.
4. 701 East Baltimore St.
5. The Vue
6. Four Seasons Tower
7. Legg Mason Tower

Still missing that should appear in the shot are:
1. The Zenith
2. Hilton Headquarters Hotel
3. CityScape
4. Naing Towers


pete, you're a genius!!! this really looks good! PHENOMENAL job!!!! our skyline is going to be great in the upcoming years.
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