San Diego Development News - Page 2

SDfan · January 20th, 2007, 05:13 AM

Also, thanks for the pictures from the downtown center, sd_urban.

octosd · January 20th, 2007, 06:55 AM

The Irvine company lot in front of one america plaza is zoned for only 480 ft. So at the very least we will still see 20 ft. of one america plaza, as that building is 500 ft. Hopefully they will not build it as wide so that part of one America plaza from base to pinacle can still be seen. In fact, this situation may be a godsend. The Irvine Company is the owner of One America plaza, so it would behoove them to mass their new tower in a way that preserves as much of the one america plaza's view to the bay, as the more bay view the higher the rent. The previous situation would have produced a bosa condo walling off the nicest office building, so in the scheme of things I think this is a winner. That prime property was not going to sit empty forever, and in fact I am glad it is not going to. Now we just need to make sure that the tower is iconic and does not resemble the boxy towers the Irvine company loves to replicate near the freeway in OC.

SanDiegoArch · January 20th, 2007, 07:54 AM

I know how everyone enjoys looking at the One America Plaza because I do as well. However I can live with it being blocked out somewhat as long as this new tower is even better and improves the overall look of the cityscape. I assume you all agree?

CalMex717 · January 20th, 2007, 07:54 AM

Someone asked for a photo of Aria's progress. Here it is, going up fast!

Here's a photo of SmartCorner:

And finally, another picture of SmartCorner; this is where the Trolley tracks go into the station off 11th Ave. As of today, the southbound tracks are routed through the block, while the northbound tracks still wrap around the outside. I believe that this weekend they are tying in the northbound tracks to also go through the middle of the block.

CalMex717 · January 20th, 2007, 07:57 AM

Sorry, I've got to figure out the photo thing...will try again later.

sd_urban · January 20th, 2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hngcm

anybody got a shot of how Aria compares to its surroundings?

Its going up fast.

So true. Because Aria is at the eastern edge of downtown, I don't think it will ever have to worry about it's southern and eastern views being blocked by another tower.

Quote:

Originally Posted by octosd

The Irvine company lot in front of one america plaza is zoned for only 480 ft. So at the very least we will still see 20 ft. of one america plaza, as that building is 500 ft. Hopefully they will not build it as wide so that part of one America plaza from base to pinacle can still be seen. In fact, this situation may be a godsend. The Irvine Company is the owner of One America plaza, so it would behoove them to mass their new tower in a way that preserves as much of the one america plaza's view to the bay, as the more bay view the higher the rent. The previous situation would have produced a bosa condo walling off the nicest office building, so in the scheme of things I think this is a winner.

Very good point. I am sorta worried about how they are going to fit 650,000 square feet into a 480' tower, though. For comparison, I couldn't find OAP's exact square footage, but it is said to be anywhere from 570,000 to 630,000 square feet. In this case, I hope Irvine maximizes the height and not the square footage. Tall and thin is what we want here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoArch

I know how everyone enjoys looking at the One America Plaza because I do as well. However I can live with it being blocked out somewhat as long as this new tower is even better and improves the overall look of the cityscape. I assume you all agree?

I'll agree with you here. As octosd already mentioned, it they can build something thin in front of OAP, we wouldn't have to worry about it being completely blocked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalMex717

I believe that this weekend they are tying in the northbound tracks to also go through the middle of the block.

Cool, I've been wondering when they were going to do that.

sd_urban · January 20th, 2007, 08:12 PM

Ok fellow Urbanites,

Tomorrow (Sunday, Jan. 21) is the grand opening of the Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego http://www.mcasd.org/downtown/index.html annex across the street at the train station. It's free between Noon and 6:00pm. Since the Chargers aren't playing this weekend

, you might want to check it out.

Cool pic with the Trolley, Coaster and Amtrak all lined up next to it.

hngcm · January 21st, 2007, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalMex717

Sorry, I've got to figure out the photo thing...will try again later.

Boooo!

lol

bushman61988 · January 21st, 2007, 06:49 AM

Since it looks like the Irvine Co. is going to hire world-renowned architect I.M. Pei to develop an office tower on one of Downtown's most prominent sites, I thought I'd show some of his work. It's so diverse, it's nearly impossible to guess or get an idea of what the office tower may look like. But here's a lot of his buildings, some really innovative, some very Blocky, boring, and dull:

I think my personal favorite would be Dallas' Fountain Place which is the 3rd to last photo.

SDfan · January 21st, 2007, 07:20 AM

Well my expectations just fell down a notch.

SanDiegoArch · January 21st, 2007, 09:07 AM

Have respect for I.M. Pei because to achieve such a title as "world renowned architect" you must be pleasing many people with your designs. However out of the particular projects that were shown I only enjoy looking at about 2 or 3 of them. They are rather bland, boxy, and boring; nothing too innovative or spectacular. It would be nice if the Irvine Co. could get Cesar Pelli to do the tower; I cant say I dislike much of his work.

SDfan · January 22nd, 2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoArch

Have respect for I.M. Pei because to achieve such a title as "world renowned architect" you must be pleasing many people with your designs.

Never said I didn't respect them, unless I wrote something invisible to my eye. Just implied that I wasn't impressed with the bland boxes shown.

bushman61988 · January 22nd, 2007, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoArch

Have respect for I.M. Pei because to achieve such a title as "world renowned architect" you must be pleasing many people with your designs. However out of the particular projects that were shown I only enjoy looking at about 2 or 3 of them. They are rather bland, boxy, and boring; nothing too innovative or spectacular. It would be nice if the Irvine Co. could get Cesar Pelli to do the tower; I cant say I dislike much of his work.

I like most of Pelli's work except for one of the towers he has at that BORING Bulky CityCentre project in Vegas.

I doubt that I.M. Pei would design one those big, ugly, boxy towers for our bayfront, for one because he knows how prominent that site is, and another, most of his uglier, boxy towers tended to be in the 60's & 70's when those towers were a norm. But when i think of it, his projects are pretty bland.

sd_urban · January 22nd, 2007, 08:39 AM

I, too, don't think that Pei Cobb Freed & Partners will be giving us one of those concrete monsters that they've done in the past. I suspect we'll get something sleek and glassy, like the Bank of China building in Hong Kong. Of course, it won't be nearly as tall.

derek5 · January 24th, 2007, 02:16 AM

i saw some commercials for Bayside on the news this morning...and it looks HOT!

SanDiegoArch · January 24th, 2007, 07:22 AM

Hey guys sorry about my last post. What I meant to say is that "I" have respect for I.M. Pei. I know it looked like I was saying that you had no respect SDfan. I have no doubt that if Pei does the work it will be great, I just admire Pelli's work as well.

dl3000 · January 24th, 2007, 07:47 AM

Well IM Pei doesn't look that impressive, looks a lot like most of the office buildings that already exist in downtown. O well hopefully he pulls something off. And I hope this isnt the case but maybe Irvine Co. decides they want the building to be bulky, then it doesnt matter if they block OAP because then they have a whole new building fronted with bayside views with higher rents. I hope they decide to distribute exposure between the two buildings, but it doesnt really matter whether they own OAP or not. They will make money either way, and theyll have to make a lot with what they are putting into it. Still the tip of OAP will be seen for sure right?
This is emporis' list of the firm's projects.
http://www.emporis.com/en/cd/cm/?id=...orkcity-ny-usa

bushman61988 · January 27th, 2007, 09:22 AM

Here's Some updates. Some of the webcams on CCDC werent lookin, so I wasn't able to get shots of Bayside or Sapphine, etc. but here's what I got so far:

Alta

MetroWork

They recently added a new webcam to the CCDC website on Cortez Hill, so now we can view construction of this 7-story office tower.

Aperture

Aria

This building is lookin real nice, and adds some real height to the Cortez Hill, College area of the skyline. Construction is about the 14th floor w/ 7-8 more to go.

Hilton Convention Center Hotel

Diamondview Tower

Diegan Hotel

Electra

I think construction is now the 34th floor.

HardRock Hotel

I just wish I could get shots from the ground-level to see how the hotel is shapin up to look like.

Icon

Legend

Park Terrace

The Trolley Station at the ground level is complete, at least to the point where the trolley runs through it and stops.

Southblock Lofts

I saw construction from a couple of webcams and was wondering what the project was, and judging by the location, it's Oliver McMillan's Southblock Lofts.

The Mark

Vantage Point

derek5 · January 27th, 2007, 09:57 AM

nice update

aria is going up rather quickly no??

mongozx · January 28th, 2007, 12:35 AM

Yeah it is. Pretty soon we'll be able to see Aria from my favorite point of view of the skyline: Point Loma.

And Legend is looking pretty damn good too!!

January 20th, 2007, 05:13 AM	#21
SDfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,688 Likes (Received): 0	Also, thanks for the pictures from the downtown center, sd_urban. __________________ Boo!

January 20th, 2007, 06:55 AM	#22
octosd Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 52 Likes (Received): 0	Looks like a winner The Irvine company lot in front of one america plaza is zoned for only 480 ft. So at the very least we will still see 20 ft. of one america plaza, as that building is 500 ft. Hopefully they will not build it as wide so that part of one America plaza from base to pinacle can still be seen. In fact, this situation may be a godsend. The Irvine Company is the owner of One America plaza, so it would behoove them to mass their new tower in a way that preserves as much of the one america plaza's view to the bay, as the more bay view the higher the rent. The previous situation would have produced a bosa condo walling off the nicest office building, so in the scheme of things I think this is a winner. That prime property was not going to sit empty forever, and in fact I am glad it is not going to. Now we just need to make sure that the tower is iconic and does not resemble the boxy towers the Irvine company loves to replicate near the freeway in OC. __________________ Studying on the East Coast, missing the West.

January 20th, 2007, 08:12 PM	#27
sd_urban Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 897 Likes (Received): 0	Ok fellow Urbanites, Tomorrow (Sunday, Jan. 21) is the grand opening of the Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego http://www.mcasd.org/downtown/index.html annex across the street at the train station. It's free between Noon and 6:00pm. Since the Chargers aren't playing this weekend , you might want to check it out. Cool pic with the Trolley, Coaster and Amtrak all lined up next to it. Last edited by sd_urban; January 20th, 2007 at 08:19 PM.

January 21st, 2007, 06:49 AM	#29
bushman61988 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 101 Likes (Received): 0	I.M. Pei Since it looks like the Irvine Co. is going to hire world-renowned architect I.M. Pei to develop an office tower on one of Downtown's most prominent sites, I thought I'd show some of his work. It's so diverse, it's nearly impossible to guess or get an idea of what the office tower may look like. But here's a lot of his buildings, some really innovative, some very Blocky, boring, and dull: I think my personal favorite would be Dallas' Fountain Place which is the 3rd to last photo.

January 21st, 2007, 07:20 AM	#30
SDfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,688 Likes (Received): 0	Well my expectations just fell down a notch. __________________ Boo!

January 20th, 2007, 07:54 AM	#23
SanDiegoArch Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Del Mar, North County, San Diego Posts: 48 Likes (Received): 0	I know how everyone enjoys looking at the One America Plaza because I do as well. However I can live with it being blocked out somewhat as long as this new tower is even better and improves the overall look of the cityscape. I assume you all agree?

January 20th, 2007, 07:54 AM	#24
CalMex717 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4 Likes (Received): 0	Someone asked for a photo of Aria's progress. Here it is, going up fast! Here's a photo of SmartCorner: And finally, another picture of SmartCorner; this is where the Trolley tracks go into the station off 11th Ave. As of today, the southbound tracks are routed through the block, while the northbound tracks still wrap around the outside. I believe that this weekend they are tying in the northbound tracks to also go through the middle of the block.

January 20th, 2007, 07:57 AM	#25
CalMex717 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4 Likes (Received): 0	Sorry, I've got to figure out the photo thing...will try again later.

January 21st, 2007, 09:07 AM	#31
SanDiegoArch Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Del Mar, North County, San Diego Posts: 48 Likes (Received): 0	Have respect for I.M. Pei because to achieve such a title as "world renowned architect" you must be pleasing many people with your designs. However out of the particular projects that were shown I only enjoy looking at about 2 or 3 of them. They are rather bland, boxy, and boring; nothing too innovative or spectacular. It would be nice if the Irvine Co. could get Cesar Pelli to do the tower; I cant say I dislike much of his work.

January 22nd, 2007, 08:39 AM	#34
sd_urban Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 897 Likes (Received): 0	I, too, don't think that Pei Cobb Freed & Partners will be giving us one of those concrete monsters that they've done in the past. I suspect we'll get something sleek and glassy, like the Bank of China building in Hong Kong. Of course, it won't be nearly as tall.

January 24th, 2007, 02:16 AM	#35
derek5 San Diegan for life Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 353 Likes (Received): 0	i saw some commercials for Bayside on the news this morning...and it looks HOT! __________________ rawr!

January 24th, 2007, 07:22 AM	#36
SanDiegoArch Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Del Mar, North County, San Diego Posts: 48 Likes (Received): 0	Sorry about my Post Hey guys sorry about my last post. What I meant to say is that "I" have respect for I.M. Pei. I know it looked like I was saying that you had no respect SDfan. I have no doubt that if Pei does the work it will be great, I just admire Pelli's work as well.

January 24th, 2007, 07:47 AM	#37
dl3000 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 437 Likes (Received): 0	Well IM Pei doesn't look that impressive, looks a lot like most of the office buildings that already exist in downtown. O well hopefully he pulls something off. And I hope this isnt the case but maybe Irvine Co. decides they want the building to be bulky, then it doesnt matter if they block OAP because then they have a whole new building fronted with bayside views with higher rents. I hope they decide to distribute exposure between the two buildings, but it doesnt really matter whether they own OAP or not. They will make money either way, and theyll have to make a lot with what they are putting into it. Still the tip of OAP will be seen for sure right? This is emporis' list of the firm's projects. http://www.emporis.com/en/cd/cm/?id=...orkcity-ny-usa __________________ "San Diego...drink it in, it always goes down smooth" - Ron Burgundy

January 27th, 2007, 09:22 AM	#38
bushman61988 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 101 Likes (Received): 0	Here's Some updates. Some of the webcams on CCDC werent lookin, so I wasn't able to get shots of Bayside or Sapphine, etc. but here's what I got so far: Alta MetroWork They recently added a new webcam to the CCDC website on Cortez Hill, so now we can view construction of this 7-story office tower. Aperture Aria This building is lookin real nice, and adds some real height to the Cortez Hill, College area of the skyline. Construction is about the 14th floor w/ 7-8 more to go. Hilton Convention Center Hotel Diamondview Tower Diegan Hotel Electra I think construction is now the 34th floor. HardRock Hotel I just wish I could get shots from the ground-level to see how the hotel is shapin up to look like. Icon Legend Park Terrace The Trolley Station at the ground level is complete, at least to the point where the trolley runs through it and stops. Southblock Lofts I saw construction from a couple of webcams and was wondering what the project was, and judging by the location, it's Oliver McMillan's Southblock Lofts. The Mark Vantage Point

January 27th, 2007, 09:57 AM	#39
derek5 San Diegan for life Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 353 Likes (Received): 0	nice update aria is going up rather quickly no?? __________________ rawr!

January 28th, 2007, 12:35 AM	#40
mongozx Pipe Layer Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 785 Likes (Received): 7	Yeah it is. Pretty soon we'll be able to see Aria from my favorite point of view of the skyline: Point Loma. And Legend is looking pretty damn good too!!

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