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View Poll Results: Wut do u think?
10 143 17.57%
9.5 75 9.21%
9 104 12.78%
8.5 105 12.90%
8 101 12.41%
7.5 35 4.30%
7 49 6.02%
6.5 23 2.83%
6 19 2.33%
5.5 12 1.47%
5 16 1.97%
4.5 6 0.74%
4 8 0.98%
3.5 14 1.72%
3 and below 104 12.78%
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Old July 23rd, 2003, 11:10 PM   #21
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looks good, nothing special for an american city


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Old August 8th, 2003, 12:23 PM   #22
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Old August 8th, 2003, 06:11 PM   #23
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Old November 19th, 2003, 09:17 PM   #24
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skyline very dense, enough long buildings dangerous and shining
designs 8,5/10
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Old November 20th, 2003, 10:34 AM   #25
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Dallas

Not bad at all. 7.5 / 10.
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Old November 21st, 2003, 07:54 AM   #26
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Great skyline with some impressive looking taller buildings

I rate 9/10
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Old November 25th, 2003, 05:36 AM   #27
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8.5/10


Nice skyline.
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Old November 26th, 2003, 04:26 AM   #28
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one of my 5 top US skylines 8/10
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Old November 26th, 2003, 04:29 AM   #29
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i don't like it 6/10
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Old November 29th, 2003, 06:51 PM   #30
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7.5 Nice density
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Old November 29th, 2003, 08:51 PM   #31
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big country, big state, big hats, big cars, big steaks, big buildings:

Big D!
... and don't forget big hair, big egos, and bigots!

Just my personal experience, but Dallas epitomizes loud-mouthed, ethno-centric Texans and ugly Americans who wonder why they are hated the world over, or alternatively make infantile dismissals such as: <texas-twang>"Well son, that's just because everyone is jealous and hates freedom."</texas-twang>

As for the skyline, impressive -- but only if you are a tasteless simpleton easily impressed by argon tubing and Christmas lights as you drive by in your mega SUV/pickup truck with Toby Keith's innane jingo anthems blaring on your stereo. Either that, or you're a wannabee urbanite riding on the light-rail/choo-choo train, blinded by boosterism -- as in their riduculous claims like "more music than Nashville and more shopping than New York!"

But I'm feeling generous so I give it a big 5.5 -- along with a big FU to big D and its big head.

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Old November 29th, 2003, 11:13 PM   #32
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i LOVE the skyline, but i cant get over the rest of the city 8/10
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Old November 30th, 2003, 02:41 AM   #33
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Quote:
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... and don't forget big hair, big egos, and bigots!

Just my personal experience, but Dallas epitomizes loud-mouthed, ethno-centric Texans and ugly Americans who wonder why they are hated the world over, or alternatively make infantile dismissals such as: <texas-twang>"Well son, that's just because everyone is jealous and hates freedom."</texas-twang>

As for the skyline, impressive -- but only if you are a tasteless simpleton easily impressed by argon tubing and Christmas lights as you drive by in your mega SUV/pickup truck with Toby Keith's innane jingo anthems blaring on your stereo. Either that, or you're a wannabee urbanite riding on the light-rail/choo-choo train, blinded by boosterism -- as in their riduculous claims like "more music than Nashville and more shopping than New York!"

But I'm feeling generous so I give it a big 5.5 -- along with a big FU to big D and its big head.
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Old November 30th, 2003, 03:30 AM   #34
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Old November 30th, 2003, 06:46 PM   #35
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Congratulations, trussedtube. You just managed to turn a harmless, non-political thread into a angry, mindless rant. If you don't like the skyline of Dallas, fine. Just say that. What you posted is no better than someone saying they hate Paris and all French people because they didn't support the Iraq war, or that they hate Dubai because its full of Muslims, who are all terrorists. Infantile dismissals indeed.
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Old November 30th, 2003, 10:44 PM   #36
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I'll concede that this was probably not the best discussion to politicize. But as for "mindless rant," I'd have to immodestly disagree -- it was an exceptionally well-written rant, haha.

However, there were some shortcomings with the post, namely: 1) not qualifying it as an opportunity to slam other aspects of Dallas I find distasteful besides just the skyline; 2) not elaborating more on the reasons why I have such venom towards Dallas; and 3) not relating these criticisms towards the original topic, the skyline.

The key problems I have are the big egos and the bigots. And like I said, this is based on personal, first-hand experience, being a former long-time Texan -- not just based on some secondhand info/propaganda feed from Fox news, et. al.

Anyway, based on that real-life experience, I can say that Dallas is one of the most racist and bigoted cities I've ever spent extended time in. I've experienced and observed more sickening racist incidents -- both overt and subtle -- in this town than anywhere else. My "jingo/Toby Keith" commentary misdirected readers somewhat, but it was quite evocative of a certain image/civic persona -- both realistic and relevant.

That criticism alone makes my post quite a bit more legitimate than any output from your hypothetical Paris/Dubai bashers -- regardless of your ideology.

As for the big egos issue, I thought I did address that somewhat: the excessive civic boosterism; the ridiculous self-comparisons to NYC and Nashville. Going further: The city's need to sneer at the rest of Texas and the South, assuming they are such a world-class metropolis, when they are really not much different -- a bunch of provincial, suburban, quasi-rural communities loosely stitched together with freeways. The preponderance of $30,000/year millionaires with a sense of entitlement that doesn't match their salaries. The self-importance that pervades the city.

And the big egos aspect relates to the original topic -- the skyline -- because many residents can't seem to get over how great their mediocre skyline is without acknowledging that other skylines -- e.g. Houston, SF, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh -- can compete. Their argument always seems to conclude with "well, the lights look way cooler," and a self-satisfied smirk.

Sure, not all of DFW has that attitude, but there really is no denying that it exists there in large amounts. If it didn't, I probably would be willing to give a higher score and retract my expletive. But that's not the case, so my comments stand.

But hey, at least I really like the Mavericks -- that's one good b-ball team. OK, now that was off-topic.
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Old December 1st, 2003, 04:08 AM   #37
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Old December 1st, 2003, 06:09 PM   #38
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7,5/10 niceskyline. I like the density, but there should be one or two signature towers to complete it.
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Old December 1st, 2003, 06:26 PM   #39
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Trussedtube, I'm sure there are a lot of bigots in Dallas, as there are everywhere. However, I'm sure the vast majority of people in Dallas are not in any way bigots. Dallas is a major metro area, and as such, is relatively diverse compared to a small rural town in which generalizations are easier to make. 40% of Dallas is non-White. Surely not all of these people can fit the generalization. Let's face it. American cities are becoming more and more alike. Dallas isn't that different from any other middle-American metropolis. Where it differs is in the extreme cases, which is what you have noticed. We always notice people who are racist or extremely pretentious, or whatever. Let's say I'm walking down the street and over the course of an hour, 2 people scream a racial slur at me. I'm gonna think that the city must be pretty racist, since that usually doesn't happen at all. However, I probably passed 1000 people on the street at that time. So maybe 2/1000 people are racist. That .2%, and even that scenario is highly unlikely.

Second, you point out that people in Dallas have big heads, and act as if Dallas is a great city, and comparable to those other great cities you mentioned. Well, maybe it isn't, but I would never fault someone for saying so. Some people really do like Dallas (or Charlotte, or Minneapolis, etc...) as much or more than they like New York or Paris. This isn't being big-headed. Its just being proud of their city. And I don't really think most Dallas residents would actually say their city is like NY. Its not like NY, and they're happy with that. If they really were NY wannabes, would they listen to Toby Keith? Nah, they'd pretend to be intellectual socialists, since that's considered hip in NYC these days.

You apparently live in Chicago, trussedtube. I'm sure there are some people from places like NY who would mock Chicago as being a stupid Midwestern (as compared to Dallas' Southern) city that pretends to be as important or cultural as NY or Boston. Well, as I'm sure you know, they'd be wrong. Chicago is one of the great American cities, even if it is different than NY or Boston. And if you're gonna complain about big-headedness, you'll find more than a fair share in NY or Boston. Boston describes itself as the "Hub of the Universe." NY as "Capital of the World" (and keep in mind this phrase is older than the UN). These are both distortions of the true importance of these cities. This just shows that even if a city is truely one of the best in the nation, it thinks of itself as THE best in the world or universe, and sees other cities as being vastly inferior. I'm not even gonna get started on some of the opinions ive heard in Paris about American cities being cultural wastelands (and yes, that includes NY).

Also, I think you are oversimplifying the whole "Americans hated by foreigners" thing, in which you say Texans say "they're just jealous of our freedom." We should never dismiss any opinions that foreigners might have, but that doesn't mean we should arrive at a conclusion that agrees with them! There are many reasons why people in other nations dislike America. Some dislike the American people, others dislike the current administration. Some people are simply motivated by blind religion-based hate which is all they've ever known. Others are, in fact, angered by the wealth of America compared to the poverty of their own nations (which they tend to assume means America stole their fair share). This isn't so far from jealousy. Some people (including in the US) are so ignorant of the facts, that they form false judgements about America and its allies. Also, obviously French anti-American people dislike the US for different reasons than Saudi anti-American people do (in most cases).

Finally, there is no doubt in my mind that you'd encounter just as much racism in Dubai, and maybe in Paris, although toward different groups. Thats enough reason for me to not live in those cities (for the time being), but I know that not all Parisians and Dubai-ans(?) are racist. Plus, your whole post lost credibility with the part about the mavericks. Who cares about the NBA anymore?
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Old December 5th, 2003, 04:04 AM   #40
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"... and don't forget big hair, big egos, and bigots!

Just my personal experience, but Dallas epitomizes loud-mouthed, ethno-centric Texans and ugly Americans who wonder why they are hated the world over, or alternatively make infantile dismissals such as: <texas-twang>"Well son, that's just because everyone is jealous and hates freedom."</texas-twang>

As for the skyline, impressive -- but only if you are a tasteless simpleton easily impressed by argon tubing and Christmas lights as you drive by in your mega SUV/pickup truck with Toby Keith's innane jingo anthems blaring on your stereo. Either that, or you're a wannabee urbanite riding on the light-rail/choo-choo train, blinded by boosterism -- as in their riduculous claims like "more music than Nashville and more shopping than New York!"

But I'm feeling generous so I give it a big 5.5 -- along with a big FU to big D and its big head."


hahaha wow..i think he has a point..haha
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