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Old April 28th, 2016, 09:22 AM   #1041
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Old April 28th, 2016, 02:53 PM   #1042
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That's the 'Macrolibramiento'?
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Old April 29th, 2016, 10:36 AM   #1043
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That's the 'Macrolibramiento'?
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Old April 29th, 2016, 10:43 AM   #1044
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 12:46 AM   #1045
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That's the 'Macrolibramiento'?
That is right. The 'macrolibramiento' or south bypass will be around 180km long, 2 lanes + shoulder per side, and all is in concrete.

It will be a very important solution to lower the cargo traffic that only needs to pass through Guadalajara. In fact when its finished, the city government will make mandatory its usage to all the heavy vehicles that don´t have a commercial interest inside the city.

It will also be very important for private vehicles that are traveling from the Pacific to central Mexico because right now, they can waste hours just to cross Guadalajara.
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Old May 5th, 2016, 04:04 PM   #1046
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This will be 111 km long, not 180 km.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #1047
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Old June 25th, 2016, 08:53 PM   #1048
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The second level of the autopista through Puebla will open to traffic on 1 September. It's basically a 13.3 kilometer long viaduct on top of the existing autopista.

http://www.unionpuebla.mx/articulo/2...-de-septiembre

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Old July 6th, 2016, 07:28 AM   #1049
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Coatzacoalcos Mexico Tunnel-the first immersed tube underwater tunnel in Latin America.

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Dam:
Excavation 1,428,111m3
Bentonite-cement walls 32,064m2
Polyethylene sheet against slope protection 73,009m2
geotextile membrane 120,934m2

Permanent structure:
Dredging 1,220,000m3
Slurry walls of 1 m. thickness 26,458m2
corrugated steel bars 22,346,000kg
Steel wire for PRESTRESSED CONCRETE 572,742kg
Precast concrete 56,669m3
Concrete in Structures Ramps 30,675m3
Fire resistant panels 27,816m2
Filling Material 220,000m3












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Old July 6th, 2016, 07:30 PM   #1050
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Coatzacoalcos Mexico Tunnel-the first immersed tube underwater tunnel in Latin America
The tunnel between Santa Fe and Parana in Argentina is an immersed tube tunnel and opened in 1969
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Old July 6th, 2016, 10:53 PM   #1051
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The tunnel between Santa Fe and Parana in Argentina is an immersed tube tunnel and opened in 1969

The Coatzacoalcos tunnel represents a technological innovation in the construction sector, as it involves a technique known as the Immersed-Tunnel Method, in which reinforced concrete tunnel sections were pre-fabricated at a dry-dock next to the river, before being specially prepared, to give them buoyancy, towed and installed on the river bed without the need to use special underground tunnelling machinery.

http://www.fccco.com/en/web/construc...lcos-en-mexico

the first immersed tube underwater tunnel in Latin America.

http://www.worldhighways.com/categor...latin-america/


I dont think Argentina had the same technology in he 60s
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Old July 6th, 2016, 11:13 PM   #1052
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The Río Paraná tunnel is in fact a immersed tube tunnel.

Background and photos: http://www.paraconocernos.com.ar/?p=578

It was built by German Hochtief using Dutch floating islands to position the tubes under water. This technique was used already in 1910 for the Michigan Central Railroad Tunnel.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 05:58 AM   #1053
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The Río Paraná tunnel is in fact a immersed tube tunnel.

Background and photos: http://www.paraconocernos.com.ar/?p=578

It was built by German Hochtief using Dutch floating islands to position the tubes under water. This technique was used already in 1910 for the Michigan Central Railroad Tunnel.
I wish you would read the article I put up In making this tunnel they didnt use any underfround drilling equipment much different than argentina in 60. Read the reason why and you will understand the difference. Do not just look at pictures.

The Coatzacoalcos tunnel represents a technological innovation in the field of construction, since the immersed-tunnel method technique allows prefabrication in a dry dock of reinforced concrete tunnel sections. These can later be prepared for flotation and be towed and placed at the bottom of a seabed without having to use special underground drilling equipment.

Argentina in the 60s were using fisherman to help build the tunnels

The project was completed by three companies (one of them German, another one Italian and an Argentinian enterprise) and it cost almost 60 million dollars. The works lasted seven years and engaged up to 2,000 workers including operators, engineers and specialized staff (due to the depth and bad conditions of the river, the help of 15 SCUBA divers as well as fishermen and locals who knew the area very well was used everyday).

This looks nothing like what was done in the Mexico project


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Old July 7th, 2016, 03:00 PM   #1054
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61 tunnels Amazing!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdEBw1PbYx0
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Old July 7th, 2016, 03:29 PM   #1055
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The tunnel in Argentina was also built in a dry dock and then floated out to position and then submerged.

But in fact there is an even older immersed tunnel in Latin America, the Túnel de La Habana in Havana, Cuba was built 1957-1958 using this method.

The Coatzacoalcos tunnel is visible on this 2012 imagery in Google Earth:
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Old July 7th, 2016, 04:02 PM   #1056
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What is so hard to understand??

The Coatzacoalcos tunnel is the first immersed concrete tunnel constructed in all of Latin America and reaches a depth of more than 30 meters below the water surface.
https://en.volkerwessels.com/en/proj...-tunnel-mexico

This not the same as arg and cuba lol
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I'm sorry, but it simply isn't true. Both the tunnel under the Paraná in Argentina and the tunnel in Havana are immersed tunnels.

Here you can see the tunnel elements under construction in the drydock in Havana in 1957:
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Old July 7th, 2016, 04:28 PM   #1058
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I'm sorry, but it simply isn't true. Both the tunnel under the Paraná in Argentina and the tunnel in Havana are immersed tunnels.

Here you can see the tunnel elements under construction in the drydock in Havana in 1957:
Being built on a dry dock has nothing to do with this as you can see they are not fully made of concrete and they still needed tunneling the one in Mexico was laid on a bed they did not use any tunneling equipment Thats why they are the 1st FULLY SUBMERGED and then just connected


as you can see in this video they were tunneling in arg instead of just laying it down on the bed as in Mexico. Like I said to the previous person read the articles I posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ShDqCxowT4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ShDqCxowT4
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I give up, I can't argue against this unashamed ignorance. The videos you posted from Argentina clearly show immersed tubes.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 04:46 PM   #1060
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I give up, I can't argue against this unashamed ignorance. The videos you posted from Argentina clearly show immersed tubes.
Please do since you are unwilling to read the articles I posted and understand, Nothing else can be said or done. Not my problem have a Nice Day!!

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