18-lane highway going up in Houston - Page 9

drewdave · December 5th, 2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fredcalif

driving on I 40 in Raleigh, or 400 in Atlanta is even unsafe

I don't understand this. If you lived in NC as you say you have, I'm sure you have experience driving on tons of roads at night without street lights. It's nothing unusual, and definitely not "unsafe." Cars have headlights, after all.

Black Box · December 6th, 2012, 08:35 AM

^The last time I drove to Vancouver, I went through Sumas and headed toward the Trans-Canadian Hwy, which got me to the DTES quite easily. The Peace Arch crossing was very congested that day. Driving up through the Fraser Valley is a bit more stop and go, but it's never been a big headache for me. Once you cross the border, it feels like a breeze in comparison.

bayviews · December 11th, 2012, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattlelife

The "freeway" system in the Vancouver area is horrible.

What freeway system?

Vancouver has virtually none!

Nouvellecosse · December 11th, 2012, 07:38 PM

Ah, this is a city with the 3rd highest municipal density of any major city in NA, in a metro area of 2.2 million, that has a fully grade-separated, high-frequency metro system as large as Boston's, Toronto's or Philly's despite the city being less than 1/2 their size. Yet there are people here on SSC complaining it doesn't have an extensive enough freeway network?

Have I somehow slipped into an alternate universe?

mhays · December 11th, 2012, 11:33 PM

Amen to that. Lack of freeways is one thing I admire about Vancouver, though there are tradeoffs of course.

diablo234 · December 11th, 2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Ah, this is a city with the 3rd highest municipal density of any major city in NA, in a metro area of 2.2 million, that has a fully grade-separated, high-frequency metro system as large as Boston's, Toronto's or Philly's despite the city being less than 1/2 their size. Yet there are people here on SSC complaining it doesn't have an extensive enough freeway network?

Have I somehow slipped into an alternate universe?

Well it is necesarry to have some sort of freeway system to move goods around, especially if you have a large seaport/airport which acts as a distribution hub. Even European/Asian cities have a freeway network for this purpose alone even though they have a relatively high population density/extensive mass transit network.

Although I think Vancouver was very forward thinking in that they did not route any freeways through downtown unlike most North American cities.

Nouvellecosse · December 12th, 2012, 05:55 AM

There are expressways in the metro area that are easily accessible to the ports and the airport, they just don't lead downtown.

diablo234 · December 12th, 2012, 07:55 AM

Well looking at Google Earth it appears that one problem that Vancouver has is that there is no direct connection between the Trans-Canada and BC 99 which forces trucks to use city streets, although it appears that they are trying to fix that problem with the South Fraser Perimeter Road.

Nouvellecosse · December 13th, 2012, 03:09 AM

Connecting between the two of them would require traversing the suburbs or semi-rural areas along the outskirts rather than going through the city.

Seattlelife · December 19th, 2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mhays

Amen to that. Lack of freeways is one thing I admire about Vancouver, though there are tradeoffs of course.

Bingo

jcastro805 · December 28th, 2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mhays

Amen to that. Lack of freeways is one thing I admire about Vancouver, though there are tradeoffs of course.

The same is pretty much true for Frisco as well.

bozenBDJ · December 28th, 2012, 08:09 AM

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18-lane highway going up in Houston

Wowza!

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jcastro805 · December 28th, 2012, 03:11 PM

The problem with building huge highways like these is that they encourage more use of personal vehicles. Houston, as well as DFW, are quickly going the way of Los Angeles with the highways. And like Los Angeles, they will figure out when its almost too late and much more expensive that extensive, reliable public transportation beats out massive highways anyday!

LouDagreat · April 6th, 2013, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jcastro805

The problem with building huge highways like these is that they encourage more use of personal vehicles. Houston, as well as DFW, are quickly going the way of Los Angeles with the highways. And like Los Angeles, they will figure out when its almost too late and much more expensive that extensive, reliable public transportation beats out massive highways anyday!

That and highways are just a blight to the communities they cross through.

December 6th, 2012, 08:35 AM	#162
Black Box Black Box Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 904 Likes (Received): 25	^The last time I drove to Vancouver, I went through Sumas and headed toward the Trans-Canadian Hwy, which got me to the DTES quite easily. The Peace Arch crossing was very congested that day. Driving up through the Fraser Valley is a bit more stop and go, but it's never been a big headache for me. Once you cross the border, it feels like a breeze in comparison. __________________ mountains water city water mountains

December 12th, 2012, 07:55 AM	#168
diablo234 Oh No He Didn't Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston-Tejas-Estados Unidos Posts: 4,220	Well looking at Google Earth it appears that one problem that Vancouver has is that there is no direct connection between the Trans-Canada and BC 99 which forces trucks to use city streets, although it appears that they are trying to fix that problem with the South Fraser Perimeter Road. __________________ T E X A S --PHOTO COLLECTION-- Disclaimer: I am not sexist, racist, or prejudiced in any way or form. I hate everyone equally.

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December 11th, 2012, 07:38 PM	#164
Nouvellecosse ~ Mysterious Entity ~ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Halifax, N.S. Posts: 3,586 Likes (Received): 24	Ah, this is a city with the 3rd highest municipal density of any major city in NA, in a metro area of 2.2 million, that has a fully grade-separated, high-frequency metro system as large as Boston's, Toronto's or Philly's despite the city being less than 1/2 their size. Yet there are people here on SSC complaining it doesn't have an extensive enough freeway network? Have I somehow slipped into an alternate universe?

December 11th, 2012, 11:33 PM	#165
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,368 Likes (Received): 117	Amen to that. Lack of freeways is one thing I admire about Vancouver, though there are tradeoffs of course.

December 12th, 2012, 05:55 AM	#167
Nouvellecosse ~ Mysterious Entity ~ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Halifax, N.S. Posts: 3,586 Likes (Received): 24	There are expressways in the metro area that are easily accessible to the ports and the airport, they just don't lead downtown.

December 13th, 2012, 03:09 AM	#169
Nouvellecosse ~ Mysterious Entity ~ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Halifax, N.S. Posts: 3,586 Likes (Received): 24	Connecting between the two of them would require traversing the suburbs or semi-rural areas along the outskirts rather than going through the city.

December 28th, 2012, 03:11 PM	#173
jcastro805 Sky's the Limit Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Alexandria, VA via SoCal via Guam via Texas Posts: 296 Likes (Received): 11	The problem with building huge highways like these is that they encourage more use of personal vehicles. Houston, as well as DFW, are quickly going the way of Los Angeles with the highways. And like Los Angeles, they will figure out when its almost too late and much more expensive that extensive, reliable public transportation beats out massive highways anyday!