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Old August 7th, 2007, 04:49 PM   #2601
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Old August 7th, 2007, 06:09 PM   #2602
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highway only for cars?
That's what Lakeshore Drive is.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 06:40 PM   #2603
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Thnks for updates
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Old August 7th, 2007, 06:53 PM   #2604
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That's what Lakeshore Drive is.
It was a sarcastic/rhetoric question in response to him asking what's the difference between a highway and street.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 07:06 PM   #2605
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This is a rough guess, but it's close.

From SSP
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Old August 7th, 2007, 07:28 PM   #2606
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i may be expressing a significantly minority opinion, then, when I state that I like the newest version the best. Looking back on the first design, while bold and still impressive, I prefer the tapering effect of the top of the latest design to the rigid verticality of the original spire part of the spire.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 07:33 PM   #2607
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coool!!
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Old August 7th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #2608
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It was a sarcastic/rhetoric question in response to him asking what's the difference between a highway and street.
Its hard to read sarcasm through text at times. Plus you didnt quote anyone so I was thrown off even more. Anywho...

Lata.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 08:08 PM   #2609
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Sorry.

And Kngkyle I got confused for a while thinking that was actual glass O_O
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Old August 7th, 2007, 08:26 PM   #2610
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If you walk by the site either on the lake or the river, and just imagine the SPIRE....It will be awesome and overwhelming!
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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:20 PM   #2611
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Some rumors have been going around on SSP from multiple different sources saying that Kelleher is planning a second supertall (one source says 2,000' again).

Here is one of the posts about it..

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HI all. One of my dearest friends is Alderman Pope from the 10th ward. Over drinks several days ago one of his assistants mentioned that Kelleher has indeed mentioned to the Mayor that he intentions of building another super structure in Chicago. The area that was mentioned was in the 2nd Ward. This stuff is still very preliminary. The Mayor wants Chicago to superceed any and all US cities when it comes to the WOW factor.
Exciting news if it is true.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:28 PM   #2612
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Nah, I doubt it.

But if it is....

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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:31 PM   #2613
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I recall reading somewhere (a while, while, while back) that 2000 ft is the tallest a building can go before it requires something special from the FAA. Is this true?
The ancient common-law rule was that a property owner owned from the center of the earth to the heavens: Cujus est solum ejus est usque ad coelum. However, at the end of World War II, the Supreme Court decided U.S. v. Causby, 328 U.S. 256 (1946), giving the federal government control over airspace needed for avigation. That came to mean all airspace above 2000 feet, and even lower altitudes near airports.

In 1965, seeing an increasing number of applications for radio masts more than 2000 feet high, the FAA promulgated this federal regulation:

14 CFR 77.13

(c) A proposed structure or an alteration to an existing structure that exceeds 2,000 feet in height above the ground will be presumed to be a hazard to air navigation and to result in an inefficient utilization of airspace and the applicant has the burden of overcoming that presumption. Each notice submitted under the pertinent provisions of this part 77 proposing a structure in excess of 2,000 feet above ground, or an alteration that will make an existing structure exceed that height, must contain a detailed showing, directed to meeting this burden. Only in exceptional cases, where the FAA concludes that a clear and compelling showing has been made that it would not result in an inefficient utilization of the airspace and would not result in a hazard to air navigation, will a determination of no hazard be issued.


As far as I can determine only one mast higher than 2000 feet has been approved since this rule was adopted, presumably on a showing of engineering necessity due to the foothills of the Sierra Nevada. It is hard to imagine any "clear and compelling" argument of necessity that a developer could make to overcome the presumption that anything more than 2000 feet high is prima facie a hazard to avigation.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:39 PM   #2614
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This constructionsite looks so "isolated", except for this Lakeshore Drive, I don't see any other roads!?
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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:39 PM   #2615
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Wow,. it sounds really exiting.
Can we open a new thread or is it still too early?
Can't wait getting more information on that!
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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:48 PM   #2616
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Wow,. it sounds really exiting.
Can we open a new thread or is it still too early?
Can't wait getting more information on that!
Waaay too early! Extremely preliminary. If at all true. Granted a few people have come out to say the same thing, as of now its simply a second-hand rumor. It is fun to think about though, aint it?
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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:49 PM   #2617
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2nd tower? that would be fantastic, but i also have my doubts
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Old August 7th, 2007, 10:06 PM   #2618
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From Saturday's Forum get together

Christening the site with champagne


Pizza and beer afterward
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Old August 7th, 2007, 10:45 PM   #2619
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From Saturday's Forum get together

Christening the site with champagne


Pizza and beer afterward
Looks like everyone had a fun time - and with good cause given the awesome reason to celebrate - I am definitely coming to the next forum meet, come hell or high water. Let the champagne flow!!! Great images BVic!!
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Old August 7th, 2007, 10:53 PM   #2620
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Exciting Times-2nd Spire?

These are exciting times indeed for Chicago. The prospect, however preliminary, of a second supertall being constructed within a few years (maybe within a decade) is enough to get anyone interested. Chicago may end up with more supertalls than New York. Wouldn't that be fun?
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