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Old September 7th, 2007, 06:41 PM   #3121
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Why didn't they just dig everything out and then start all the construction?
Isn't it much more difficult to dig around all those concrete caissions, as just digging a big hole??
The problem here is all of the water that surrounds the site. They likely have to do things in a similar manner to the WTC complex in NYC (with a watertight perimeter wall) before they start digging below the water line and that caissons can be drilled and filled before then.

I forget the exact depth (and correct me if I am wrong), but I STR that the bedrock is about 60-75 meters below the surface there.

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Old September 7th, 2007, 11:27 PM   #3122
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wats the name of the tower to the right in that picture ?
Blue/white box is River East Center (residential, hotel, entertainment)
Brown box is Cityfront Place (residential)
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Old September 8th, 2007, 12:03 AM   #3123
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The problem here is all of the water that surrounds the site. They likely have to do things in a similar manner to the WTC complex in NYC (with a watertight perimeter wall) before they start digging below the water line and that caissons can be drilled and filled before then.
Exactly. A cofferdam will be constructed 78 ft (24 m) deep and 104 ft. (32 m) wide to create a watertight work space and will later provide the foundation for the core of the building.

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I forget the exact depth (and correct me if I am wrong), but I STR that the bedrock is about 60-75 meters below the surface there.
34 caissons will be drilled 120 ft. (37 m) into the bedrock below the surface.

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Initial reports estimate units (600-8,000 square feet) will sell at or above $2,000 per square foot. Therefore the cheapest unit will run US$900,000 with larger units at or above US$16,000,000.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 08:35 PM   #3124
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Oh geez 900,000 per unit . . . ridiculous! I wonder how much it would be to buy out a floor.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 09:39 PM   #3125
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Oh geez 900,000 per unit . . . ridiculous! I wonder how much it would be to buy out a floor.
My friend, dont consider this like your mother's highrise condo. For many (including me) $900K for a small apartment is lots of money. However, as Spire is going to be an iconic building by its height, location and design, having a unit in Spire will be like (and, is going to be marketed as such) as if having a place/ownership in a world renown building. Think about how much people would bet if even a small section of White House, Buckingham Palace, Sydney Opera House, etc. you name it, was put on for sale. Think Spire prices in this context.

Also, like anything, this is relative. For those whose net worth at least in double digit millions, it is an expense not investment to allocate such money for a unit even at those prices.

As for my own curiosity about Spire's sales is that I know it will be marketed worldwide and world has enough rich to buy at prices asked for Spire. The big question is how much attractive this place will be for the world's riches and how fast/slow sales will be going?

I had read somewhere that Aqua was already 95% sold by the end of this summer. It was a 'wow' for me! Although it is different and similar at the same time, I wonder if Spire will have that type of sales performance. If it does, everyone will have to take hats off especially for the developer and architect of Spire for their vision and courage.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 09:44 PM   #3126
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Just out of the topic a bit.

Whats happen' with that project next to Cityfront Place?, what is its name?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 10:56 PM   #3127
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As for my own curiosity about Spire's sales is that I know it will be marketed worldwide and world has enough rich to buy at prices asked for Spire. The big question is how much attractive this place will be for the world's riches and how fast/slow sales will be going?
Shelbourne has received over 800 inquiries from 'serious, interested buyers' all over the world. I imagine a key part of the marketing effort will be focused on cities/countries with a substantial economic connection to Chicago.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 11:12 PM   #3128
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i should know this but is the gold facade staying or is it back to blue or what?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 11:38 PM   #3129
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Spotting the architectural stars and events of the season

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September 7, 2007


Chicago Spire Interiors

Star architects typically design condominium towers exteriors and leave the interiors to decorators, but Calatrava is playing an unusually active role in shaping the Spire's nearly 1,200 units. He has crafted everything from floor plans to doorknob handles, which should make the skyscraper a rare instance of "total design." The Zurich-based architect will be in Chicago on Sept. 26 to preview his plans, whose staggering variety has helped push the opening of the Spire's sales center back from Sept. 27 to January.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 11:39 PM   #3130
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i should know this but is the gold facade staying or is it back to blue or what?
It is NOT gold.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 11:40 PM   #3131
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Spotting the architectural stars and events of the season

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Chicago Spire Interiors

Star architects typically design condominium towers exteriors and leave the interiors to decorators, but Calatrava is playing an unusually active role in shaping the Spire's nearly 1,200 units. He has crafted everything from floor plans to doorknob handles, which should make the skyscraper a rare instance of "total design." The Zurich-based architect will be in Chicago on Sept. 26 to preview his plans, whose staggering variety has helped push the opening of the Spire's sales center back from Sept. 27 to January.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 11:47 PM   #3132
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Darn> If they had stuck with the original opening, it would have been on my birthday!!
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Old September 9th, 2007, 02:04 AM   #3133
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opening of the Spire's sales center back from Sept. 27 to January.
^ Wow.
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Old September 9th, 2007, 02:41 AM   #3134
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Too bad it is delayed, but it sounds like it is on account of there being so many unique floorplans and designs, all the work of the man himself. If that is true, Kelleher must have given Calatrava an incredible amount of freedom to totally design the whole creation. That can only add to the allure of this building to wealthy international clintele, and hopefully will inspire future high end projects in chicago to reject value engineering in pursuit of unique architectural identity.
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Old September 9th, 2007, 06:05 AM   #3135
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do you know of any possible petitions requesting an observation? We could definitly get a lot of signatures.
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Old September 9th, 2007, 06:15 AM   #3136
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do you know of any possible petitions requesting an observation? We could definitly get a lot of signatures.
No. It's not going to happen. Stop thinking about it. Get over it. And by all means lets stop talking about it. It has been beaten to death already here.
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Old September 9th, 2007, 06:19 AM   #3137
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And my post was deleted just because i mentioned about OD


Wth is going on? Its not like i am whining why is there no OD in CS?
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Old September 9th, 2007, 09:53 AM   #3138
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Because it's private property! The developer has the right to do whatever the hell he wants with it! This is not a government building -- a petition is not only useless, it is inappropriate!!
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Old September 9th, 2007, 06:26 PM   #3139
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Because it's private property! The developer has the right to do whatever the hell he wants with it! This is not a government building -- a petition is not only useless, it is inappropriate!!
Never herd anything so true. Let us stop thinking about OD because it WONT happen and just concentrate on how beautiful this skyscraper is going to be
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Old September 9th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #3140
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I won't go so far as to say an OD won't EVER happen, but it sure as hell won't be the doing of the public. However I can't see how it could really happen without a major overhaul as an OD would most likely require its own elevator.
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