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Old September 30th, 2007, 04:54 AM   #3521
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the way i measured, the lot has 96 meters which is over 315 feet
The way Shelbourne measures

Townhomes to LSD ( W to E ) 285' - 1"

35' - 3" W edge to Spire collume + 209' - 10" for the Spire itself + 40' - 0" setback from LSD on the East side.

The secant wall was shown as going along the edge of the site, from the edge of the townhomes garden to the edge of LSD. There are already sections directly adjacent to the slip on the N and to LSD on the E, and at least one Big casisson right next to the townhomes on the W.

The 285 is L to Right on your image.
The lot goes further S than pictured, the trailers and stuff are gone.

The lot as it appeared last Friday morning ( looking South ).

Note the prep for the secant wall on the Lower left, the beams from the secant wall along the slip ( bottom center ) and the boards covering 2 of the big rock caissons ( R and L center )

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Old September 30th, 2007, 05:06 AM   #3522
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Well basically the width of the Fordham Spire design was 50m, or 164 feet. I found this by measuring an elevation published by Fordham Co. Someone here must have an elevation of the current design?
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Old September 30th, 2007, 05:14 AM   #3523
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Well basically the width of the Fordham Spire design was 50m, or 164 feet. I found this by measuring an elevation published by Fordham Co. Someone here must have an elevation of the current design?
A while back somebody posted the plans - for this tower - on SSP - I took notes and the figures below are what the plans called for.

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Townhomes to LSD ( W to E ) 285' - 1"

35' - 3" W edge to Spire collume + 209' - 10" for the Spire itself + 40' - 0" setback from LSD on the East side.
Unfortunately somebody raised a fuss about confidential material and the diagrams disappeared.

My favorite part of the plan was racks for 400 bicycles
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Old September 30th, 2007, 05:26 AM   #3524
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Ahh... thx. Okey, yah i got confused by the N/S orientation. But as i really compare it do the picture it's clear and i cant believe how dumb i didnt notice that

Mh, yah okey, so there is enough space for a really big diameter... just unbelievable that a former wtc tower would really possibly just fit into the spire..

Last question for today

Does that bridge really has two levels? In the satelit picture it looks that way, you can see lanes. But on the pic you posted (and some others) it seems if there were alot of parked cars.
So what is it?

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I mean the part of road on the foto just before the bridge. Not the bridge itself

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Old September 30th, 2007, 05:50 AM   #3525
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Ahh... thx. Okey, yah i got confused by the N/S orientation. But as i really compare it do the picture it's clear and i cant believe how dumb i didnt notice that

Mh, yah okey, so there is enough space for a really big diameter... just unbelievable that a former wtc tower would really possibly just fit into the spire..

Last question for today

Does that bridge really has two levels? In the satelit picture it looks that way, you can see lanes. But on the pic you posted (and some others) it seems if there were alot of parked cars.
So what is it?

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I mean the part of road on the foto just before the bridge. Not the bridge itself
The parked cars are from the bridge workers, they park on the sidewalk, real pain getting around them on my bike, but they are pretty tolerant.

The sidewalk on the west side doesn't really go anywhere, the stairs are closed ( always have been ? ) and biking ( much less walking ) on lower Wacker is not recommended, although it can be exhilarating.

Shot of a tour bus, yes they were talking about the spire.



Another veiw -before the bridge work began



The cars are moving at 40+ MPH ( when they can ). And this is a drawbridge.
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Old September 30th, 2007, 05:56 AM   #3526
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haha, I didn't realize they park their cars on the sidewalk up there. thats pretty funny. I guess they use those stairs right before the river to get down...
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Old September 30th, 2007, 06:04 AM   #3527
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haha, I didn't realize they park their cars on the sidewalk up there. thats pretty funny. I guess they use those stairs right before the river to get down...
Yes but they're working in the NW tower, where the controls are, at least one set.
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Old September 30th, 2007, 06:15 AM   #3528
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Ah and how do you measure???
lol. woops. i forgot the base is a circle. i measured from corner to corner. sorry
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Old September 30th, 2007, 05:47 PM   #3529
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Ahh... thx. Okey, yah i got confused by the N/S orientation. But as i really compare it do the picture it's clear and i cant believe how dumb i didnt notice that

Mh, yah okey, so there is enough space for a really big diameter... just unbelievable that a former wtc tower would really possibly just fit into the spire..

Last question for today

Does that bridge really has two levels? In the satelit picture it looks that way, you can see lanes. But on the pic you posted (and some others) it seems if there were alot of parked cars.
So what is it?

PS:

I mean the part of road on the foto just before the bridge. Not the bridge itself
Lakeshore Drive and a whole bunch of other streets along the Chicago River, especially Wacker Dr (see the 'Waterview Tower' threads for images of another part of Wacker), are indeed two and even THREE levels. Upper Lakeshore Dr at the river is essentially a freeway and the lower level is more of a city street. Lower Lakeshore Dr is also used for the connections between Lakeshore Dr and Wacker Dr.

Many of the drawbridges over the River, including Lakeshore Dr and Michigan Av (among others) are double-deck, too.

The first double-deck streets were built in the mid-late 1910s (yes, during the WWI era) as a way of addressing a choking level of street traffic congestion by elevating the streets and allowing trucks (and horse-drawn drays, which were still in use) to service the downtown buildings without having to mix with the other traffic. It proved successful and in the 1980s, when Lakeshore Dr was rebuilt in the area, Lower Wacker Dr was extended to connect with it creating an incredibly handy and *FUN!* way of getting between the interstate expressways and Lakeshore Dr. The east-west part of Wacker (the late 1910s structure - talk about well built!) was replaced a few years ago, eliminating several kinky bottlenecks in it and making that connection even easier.

If you ever visit Chicago, a drive on Lower Wacker is one of your 'must dos'.



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Old September 30th, 2007, 06:18 PM   #3530
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Lakeshore Drive and a whole bunch of other streets along the Chicago River, especially Wacker Dr (see the 'Waterview Tower' threads for images of another part of Wacker), are indeed two and even THREE levels. Upper Lakeshore Dr at the river is essentially a freeway and the lower level is more of a city street.
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If you ever visit Chicago, a drive on Lower Wacker is one of your 'must dos'.



Mike
Here are some shots of the bottom level at the Spire site ( late July ) - those compressors are huge.







Lower Wacker (in a car) is a must, late at night, fast.
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Old September 30th, 2007, 07:41 PM   #3531
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Thx alot for these infos!!!
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Old September 30th, 2007, 10:05 PM   #3532
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...,7402404.story

Some Spire occupants may take dim view of 'total design'
By Blair Kamin | Tribune architecture critic
September 30, 2007

Everybody knows the stories about Frank Lloyd Wright. His tall-backed dining chairs were both gorgeous to behold and supremely uncomfortable. Staying at a client's house, he would sneak down at night and rearrange the furniture to his liking. Occasionally, he designed dresses so the garments worn by the lady of the house wouldn't clash with his all-encompassing

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Some Spire occupants may take dim view of 'total design'
By Blair Kamin | Tribune architecture critic
September 30, 2007

Everybody knows the stories about Frank Lloyd Wright. His tall-backed dining chairs were both gorgeous to behold and supremely uncomfortable. Staying at a client's house, he would sneak down at night and rearrange the furniture to his liking. Occasionally, he designed dresses so the garments worn by the lady of the house wouldn't clash with his all-encompassing
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Construction crews are working Saturdays and Sundays as well.
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Old October 1st, 2007, 07:34 AM   #3535
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interesting vid-

http://www.real-estate-market.org/20...sign-part-two/
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Old October 1st, 2007, 11:34 AM   #3536
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...,7402404.story

Some Spire occupants may take dim view of 'total design'
By Blair Kamin | Tribune architecture critic
September 30, 2007

Everybody knows the stories about Frank Lloyd Wright. His tall-backed dining chairs were both gorgeous to behold and supremely uncomfortable. Staying at a client's house, he would sneak down at night and rearrange the furniture to his liking. Occasionally, he designed dresses so the garments worn by the lady of the house wouldn't clash with his all-encompassing
In case you guys missed this article, it mentions
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Prices in this building will start at $750,000 for some studios and head up to a staggering $40 million for a duplex penthouse.
Hate to bring up the issue of price again, but it looks like we found a real stat. (FYI, I refused to make a prediction in the original argument, so I can't really say I'm wrong or right.)
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Old October 1st, 2007, 04:55 PM   #3538
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Oct 1 - AM

View from above
[ full set - zoomable http://picasaweb.google.com/harry.r..../400NLSDCSHeli ]



Using secant wall to brace old sheet piles ( will the in-between caissons be drilled later and this is just to shore up the wall prior to a big caisson being drilled right next to it ? )






Dusable Park materials storage.



They "mowed" the entire hill, preparing for something ( ramp ? )



Work on the other side of the slip ( prep for ramp work ? ) ( the line says "GATE" )



Neighbors



Tri Level LSD


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Old October 2nd, 2007, 01:57 AM   #3539
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Iīve made this from the Panoramas section of the web page, www.thechicagospire.com .


140th floor:




Itīs amazing to see Sears Tower below you!!
thats worth every penny. even if it is 40 mill
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