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Old January 17th, 2007, 05:19 AM   #341
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Does anyone know the details of the relationship between Trump and the Sun-Times. Of course they sold their building to and will become tenants of the Trump Tower, but I thought that I remember reading that they were co-developers of a sort with Trump.

Does this ring any bells with anyone?
Sun-Times will not occupy Trump Tower. The office space rent was too high for Hollinger Intl's (the parent company) taste. They will stay in the Apperal Mart. Trump shopped around for other commercial tenants, but was unsuccessfull, and the office space was cut from the project, and filled in with extra hotel-condos and regular condos. Hollinger was a co-developer in the project, but thier stake was bought by Donald Trump. Hope that helps.

As far as why the Sun-Times has thier dismal view on the spire, I have no idea. Perhaps they signed an agreement with Trump to not promote competing projects.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 05:58 PM   #342
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Sun-Times will not occupy Trump Tower. The office space rent was too high for Hollinger Intl's (the parent company) taste. They will stay in the Apperal Mart. Trump shopped around for other commercial tenants, but was unsuccessfull, and the office space was cut from the project, and filled in with extra hotel-condos and regular condos. Hollinger was a co-developer in the project, but thier stake was bought by Donald Trump. Hope that helps.

As far as why the Sun-Times has thier dismal view on the spire, I have no idea. Perhaps they signed an agreement with Trump to not promote competing projects.

That is an interesting thought about the Sun-Times. Perhaps there is some below-the-surface motivation that leads the Sun-Times to have a "dismal view" on the Spire.

Note that the Sun-Times has apparently allowed ad revenue from Macy's to dictate the Sun-Times coverage of the Macy's/Marshall Field's issue, as reported in the Reader.

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Old January 17th, 2007, 08:58 PM   #343
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Perhaps there is some below-the-surface motivation that leads the Sun-Times to have a "dismal view" on the Spire.
Healthy skepticism. That's what smart newspaper reporters have, especially when a project has become as clouded in pixie dust as this one has.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 09:17 PM   #344
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Healthy skepticism. That's what smart newspaper reporters have, especially when a project has become as clouded in pixie dust as this one has.
Which Sun-Times have you been reading? Most of the vitriol spewed by David Roeder in recent weeks is patently unacceptable. Referring to Calatrava as a "leech" hardly constitutes "healthy skepticism," let alone journalism. He's so overcome by his ravenous desire to trash this project and all the players involved that he's glossing over important facts in order to fulfill his agenda.


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BY DAVID ROEDER Sun-Times Columnist

How do you say chutzpah in Gaelic? Or bait and switch? Those are the terms that come to mind with Irish developer Garrett Kelleher's new version of the Santiago Calatrava building just west of Lake Shore Drive near Navy Pier. With zoning for the site in place and City Hall's taste for a Calatrava building whetted, the developer uncorks a plan to almost triple the building's size.

If the influential Streeterville Organization of Active Residents has any gumption, it will come out against the changes in terms so strong as to force the local alderman to oppose them. Then Kelleher and Calatrava would have to get real. Otherwise, there's a good chance this project will fail later on, and the construction site will be tied up in bankruptcy and litigation.

As currently fashioned, the building cannot succeed. The finances don't add up for a project that appeals to such a limited, super-rich segment of condo buyers. I suppose that's good news. We won't have to look at Calatrava's sellout of his own building. I wasn't as enamored of the original as some, but it had a grace missing in the revision. The new building is an overweight and mummified version of the first design. But it is proof that Calatrava has turned into a leech, sucking paydays from a developer who's enraptured with an international vanity project.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 02:19 AM   #345
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You do understand the difference between a column and a news story, don't you?

Let's just say that Roeder has a pretty good ear for hype. He has a pretty good Rolodex and some years in the trenches. He's earned the right to raise an eyebrow.

The point is, there's no "Sun-Times agenda." Reporters want to look skeptical, columnists want to look sage, and the HomeLife section wants to look boosterish.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 05:19 AM   #346
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The notion that latest design was going to be displayed at the meeting Monday may have been mis-information by the GP board. Someone probably decided to generate some hype for the meeting and stepped over the line into fantasy.

I welcome hype for this building even if it turns out to be nothing. We'll just have to wait a bit longer and continue our anticipation for the release of design "D". Hang in there, it will eventually come.

Too bad it got Roeder and Kamin angry. Well maybe not too bad. They just believed everything they read. You'd think...
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Old January 18th, 2007, 06:06 AM   #347
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You do understand the difference between a column and a news story, don't you?
I suppose. But what irritates me is that Roeder doesn't keep his views strictly on this tower's financial feasibility - he ventures into criticism of the design, as if his views on what makes for good architecture are relevant or appropriate as a business columnist.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 07:07 AM   #348
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he ventures into criticism of the design
Would you disagree that "the original. . . had a grace missing in the revision"?

Roeder writes about "commercial real estate," a business inextricably bound with planning and architecture in this town. This building is not being sold for its amenities or value. It's being sold on its architecture.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 08:16 AM   #349
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Would you disagree that "the original. . . had a grace missing in the revision"?

Roeder writes about "commercial real estate," a business inextricably bound with planning and architecture in this town. This building is not being sold for its amenities or value. It's being sold on its architecture.
Eh, maybe a little, but the original was also not-feasible structurally. Also, most people here haven't seen the latest "revision", so opinions might need to be held.

From what I understand, the meterial for Version D was there last night, but for some reason they desided to withhold it.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 04:57 PM   #350
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As mentioned previously, elections are Feb. 27th. I doubt we'll see or hear anything more about design "D" until after then.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 05:05 AM   #351
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Old January 19th, 2007, 07:59 PM   #352
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just be glad the newest design isn't this:
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Old January 19th, 2007, 09:29 PM   #353
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BY DAVID ROEDER Sun-Times Columnist

How do you say chutzpah in Gaelic? Or bait and switch? Those are the terms that come to mind with Irish developer Garrett Kelleher's new version of the Santiago Calatrava building just west of Lake Shore Drive near Navy Pier. With zoning for the site in place and City Hall's taste for a Calatrava building whetted, the developer uncorks a plan to almost triple the building's size.
If the influential Streeterville Organization of Active Residents has any gumption, it will come out against the changes in terms so strong as to force the local alderman to oppose them. Then Kelleher and Calatrava would have to get real. Otherwise, there's a good chance this project will fail later on, and the construction site will be tied up in bankruptcy and litigation.
As currently fashioned, the building cannot succeed. The finances don't add up for a project that appeals to such a limited, super-rich segment of condo buyers. I suppose that's good news. We won't have to look at Calatrava's sellout of his own building. I wasn't as enamored of the original as some, but it had a grace missing in the revision. The new building is an overweight and mummified version of the first design. But it is proof that Calatrava has turned into a leech, sucking paydays from a developer who's enraptured with an international vanity project.

This guy is a class war monger moron. That the only comment deserved.
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Old January 20th, 2007, 04:32 AM   #354
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Wouldn't even wipe my arse with the crap he puts out. He's obviously a miserable person looking for negatives.

Reposting his article just stinks up the forum here. I would request not even posting it. For one it's a very old article. 2, it's all based on ignorant opinion. "sucking paydays" What a mother fu&*%$er

He doesn't understand a man like Kelleher.
He certainly doesn't understand why men go to the moon, climb Everest or build 2000 footers.
Some make dreams reality. Some are asleep in life like this bozo.

I didn't think I'd write that much because I shouldn't give this guy any thought.

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Old January 20th, 2007, 06:31 PM   #355
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Spire developer releases latest drawings
New twist and turns for tallest building
By Blair Kamin
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Published January 21, 2007


Under fire for withholding the latest design for a twisting lakefront tower from the public, the project's developer has relented and released to the Tribune his new vision for the proposed 2,000-foot skyscraper, which would be the nation's tallest building.

A computer rendering pictures the tower with a tapering, conelike top rather than the blunt summit that was shown in early December and drew a thumbs-down from critics and the public. While details of the design by Zurich-based architect Santiago Calatrava are sure to change, the developer, Dublin-based Garrett Kelleher, appears to have made a firm choice on its broad outlines.


His decision to release the rendering and Calatrava's conceptual sketches for the project seeks to quell controversy about his obligation to fully inform the public about the shape of a project that would dramatically remake Chicago's skyline. It would rise 550 feet higher than the 1,450-foot Sears Tower, now the tallest building in the U.S., and would be nearly twice as tall as the 1,127-foot John Hancock Center.

"The whole thing is evolving," Kelleher said.

"We are getting closer and closer to the definite shape," Calatrava said.

Called the Chicago Spire, the skyscraper would rise on a now-vacant site west of Lake Shore Drive across from Navy Pier. Last summer, Kelleher assumed control of the project from its original developer, Chicago's Christopher Carley. Carley had proposed a stack of hotel rooms and condominiums topped by a 400-foot broadcast tower.

Kelleher eliminated the hotel and broadcast tower and nearly tripled the overall number of units to 1,300, all condominiums, in an attempt to make the project economically feasible. But Calatrava's first stab at dealing with these economic mandates flopped and was quickly dubbed "Twizzler Tower" for its resemblance to a piece of the red licorice.

The new images show that his design is poised to regain the spectacular whirring energy that captivated the public when Carley announced the high-rise in 2005. They also provide a glimpse of Calatrava's vision for the skyscraper's lobby, which would be a soaring, cathedral-like space, five stories tall and framed by arching vaults of concrete.

More broadly, the drawings open a window onto Calatrava's creative process, which draws inspiration from a variety of sources--nature and the human body, as well as past architectural masterpieces such as the churches of 17th Century Baroque architect Franceso Borromini.

The skeptics

Many have expressed skepticism that Kelleher will ever amass the funds needed to build the 150-story skyscraper. The developer has not announced an overall price for the building. Nor has he indicated that he has buyers signed up, as developers of such projects typically do. The tower still requires city approval and Ald. Burton Natarus (42nd), in whose ward the skyscraper would be built, has expressed concerns about traffic congestion and density.

But Kelleher has a hive of architects, structural engineers and other consultants at work on the 36th floor of 330 North Wabash, a black slab that overlooks the slowly growing superstructure of Donald Trump's 92-story hotel-condominium tower along the Chicago River. Skeptics also dismissed Trump's project, but the flamboyant New York developer proved them wrong, aided by a windfall of publicity from his reality TV series, "The Apprentice."

During an interview Tuesday night, Calatrava illustrated his design ideas for the Chicago Spire with his ever-present sketchpad. He also pulled a small brown snail shell out of his pocket and placed it on a conference table, indicating how the shell's graceful, rotating forms may inspire his design for the tower's summit.

"We are trying to give a kind of beautiful significance to the [skyscraper], as it is in nature," he said.

At the end of the session, the Tribune asked Kelleher to make Calatrava's sketches available so the public could see them.

The developer consented and Calatrava, one of the only architects in a computer-obsessed world who travels with a paintbrush and a palette of watercolors, proceeded to color the sketches in shades of yellow, red, blue and green. The drawings were returned to Kelleher on Wednesday.

The issue of the public's right to be informed about the design came to a head Monday night at a public meeting of the Grant Park Advisory Council, an influential citizens board.

Although the Chicago Spire would be built several blocks north of Grant Park, Kelleher was invited to speak at the meeting. The advisory council advertised Kelleher's appearance as a chance to see the "latest design" of the Chicago Spire.

The `Twizzler'

Instead, Kelleher showed the widely panned version of the plan he made public in early December: a beefed-up, nearly flat-topped version of the high-rise, whose upper floors had far less twist than in the original design.

At the meeting, the Tribune asked Kelleher why he was not showing the public the revised, tapering version of the skyscraper that he and Calatrava privately shopped to citizens groups and leaders of Chicago's design community in late December.

Kelleher insisted he was presenting that version.


Chicago's architecture critics didn't buy it.

"This isn't exactly being forthright with the public, which has every right to be closely informed about the progress of a building that would radically alter the city's skyline forever. It smells, and you know of what," Chicago Sun-Times architecture critic Kevin Nance wrote Tuesday.

Made aware he was facing a credibility problem, Kelleher offered a meeting Tuesday night with himself and Calatrava.

At the session, the architect confirmed with the swift strokes of his pen that he and the developer have been considering several versions of the tower.

One alternative had a spire that would have stretched the 150-story skyscraper's height to 2,150 feet--nearly 500 feet taller than the current world's tallest building in Taipei, Taiwan. However, it was looked at only for study and was eliminated, Kelleher said.

All the versions could accommodate anywhere from 1,000 to 1,350 condominium units, Kelleher said, adding that the exact number hasn't been determined.

The latest version is the plan shown privately in late December. It would rotate 360 degrees from ground to summit instead of the 270-degree twist in the "Twizzler" proposal. To achieve the illusion of movement, each floor of the skyscraper would rotate slightly over the one beneath it.

Calatrava also illustrated how the skyscraper's lobby would have highly transparent, cable-supported glass walls and steel-reinforced concrete vaults that would form cathedral-like interior spaces. Outside, the tower's structural columns would join to form W-shaped clusters. They would frame a tall exterior arcade.

While the lobby might not be open to the public for security or privacy reasons, pedestrians walking the exterior arcade could look in. "It's a beautiful space that you can enjoy inside. But you can also enjoy it from outside," Calatrava said.

Kelleher, who wants to break ground on the project by the end of June, said at the Grant Park Advisory Council meeting that he is ready to order caissons even though the skyscraper has not yet received formal city approval. Public hearings are likely to be held in March, according to people close to the project.

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Old January 20th, 2007, 06:52 PM   #356
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OK, so the sketches have been released to the Tribune. So where are they? Not on the Trib's website. In the actual paper, perhaps?
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Old January 20th, 2007, 08:44 PM   #358
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In my opinion, this is an improvement over the prior rendering
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Old January 20th, 2007, 09:12 PM   #359
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In my opinion, this is an improvement over the prior rendering
I think this one is a fair compromise between the original (the best) and the latest on (the worst).
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Just leave it at that and build it already.
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