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Old February 9th, 2007, 04:01 AM   #501
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Hey guys, remember the story of the Chrysler building in New York......don't say nuthin !!!! then......
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Old February 9th, 2007, 04:19 AM   #502
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Yeah, but there wasn't an FCC regulation preventing buildings over 1,000' . . . the Chi-Spi CANNOT exceed 2,000'.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 06:08 AM   #503
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Oh, but it could, it just requires a bit more paperwork.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 06:10 AM   #504
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exactly, and depressio it will exceed 2,000
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Old February 9th, 2007, 06:26 AM   #505
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I doubt it will.

2000 feet will be the max.

That is... if it gets built. And at this rate...
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Old February 9th, 2007, 06:47 AM   #506
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So here is the thing...

The Freedom Tower or whatever its called is now costing $3 billion... this was $1.2 billion like a year ago. How much will it cost today? This is dragging on for so long, that I dunno if it will be economically feasable. I mean, they added all those units to make it feasable, but its taking such a long time... that... yea...

Not to rain on anyones parade, but its something we need to think about. Especially since Chicago's market is well saturated.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 07:33 AM   #507
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... And at this rate...
At this rate? It was only announced a year and a half ago. Not only that, there were a few things that hapened with the project that required more time. Look at Trump. I believe that took three years to start construction from the time it was first announced. Someone explain the rush to me.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 07:34 AM   #508
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exactly, and depressio it will exceed 2,000
Do you know something we dont? And where do you get your info?
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Old February 9th, 2007, 08:03 AM   #509
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At this rate? It was only announced a year and a half ago. Not only that, there were a few things that hapened with the project that required more time. Look at Trump. I believe that took three years to start construction from the time it was first announced. Someone explain the rush to me.
Exactly. This tower has gone through significant changes in both design and ownership in little over a year. If they start work sometime later this year, that would be amazingly quick, especially considering how long projects like FT have taken.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 08:17 AM   #510
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Thats great news! I though they did soil testing here already? Good to see the caisson equipment there though. This should show the doubters in this city that kelleher is indeed quite serious about this project.
I am sure they are looking at many different criteria when performing the soils tests: soil contamination (key in area of fill), existing soil bearing capacity (in designing the caissons), existing underground facilities (I would hope they have been mitigated already), and the water table elevation.

But I will admit... that this is getting exciting!
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Old February 9th, 2007, 08:37 AM   #511
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exactly, and depressio it will exceed 2,000
Okay, that's retarded . . .
I think it will get built, but I can't foresee it exceeding 2,000'. Being any taller probably would push the limit of "fitting in". But I probably shouldn't say that, especially looking at that pic of the Sears (barely 2/3rds tall at that point).
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Old February 9th, 2007, 06:28 PM   #512
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So here is the thing...

The Freedom Tower or whatever its called is now costing $3 billion... this was $1.2 billion like a year ago. How much will it cost today? This is dragging on for so long, that I dunno if it will be economically feasable. I mean, they added all those units to make it feasable, but its taking such a long time... that... yea...

Not to rain on anyones parade, but its something we need to think about. Especially since Chicago's market is well saturated.
The costs of FT are actually $278 million more from last spring, from 2.2 billion to $2.478 billion. The 80ft substructure is $500 million and there are $507 million of non-construction costs. The last estimate for CS was $2 billion but it seems like this was a rough estimate. So if $2 billion is correct and there is a similar increase to FT, the CS may end up costing $2.25 billion. We will see, hopefully. The following are quotes from the FT article:

Construction costs for the 1,776-foot tower have been pegged at $2.478 billion, up from the $2.2 billion estimate for steel, concrete, glass and labor projected last spring.

Contributing to the project's cost is the roughly $500 million to build an 80-foot-tall substructure in the Trade Center's "bathtub," atop of which the tower will be built.

But the latest tally included in the Port Authority's capital budget includes an additional $507 million for "nonconstruction" costs that include security at the site, integrity monitors to keep an eye on contractors, the cost of selling bonds to finance the project, marketing the office space and fitting it out for tenants, The Post has learned.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 03:11 AM   #513
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I am mesmerized by the rendering with the 'light spire'. If that were a real spire then by far this would be the most beautiful building proposed! Hopefully they can finagle slightly over 2000' with a real spire!
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Old February 10th, 2007, 03:15 AM   #514
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Do you know something we dont? And where do you get your info?
I think he would like to think he does. But no he's just hoping for the best.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 04:03 AM   #515
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I think he would like to think he does. But no he's just hoping for the best.
No. I know. I knew he wouldnt respond with anything.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 04:23 AM   #516
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I just noticed something, technically the building will have to fill out that extra paperwork and get the extra approvals,from the faa and fcc, because as us miami forummers have noticed-

the height of a building underconstruction is considered to the top of the crane and if this building is going to be about 2000 feet i expect the crane will top atleast 2050feet. Meaning they will have to get approval from the faa to have a crane that high, thats if its true that structures over 2000 ft have to get apporved by faa or fcc.....

and im stating this because in miami we have had the faa get on our ass about cranes being up at certian heights, they have to be cleared by the faa as to not affect flight paths.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 06:01 AM   #517
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If the FAA doesn't approve exemptions for guyed masts in the middle of nowhere, why would they for a tower in the middle of Chicago? Serious question, by the way--I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but saying "just requires a bit of extra paperwork" doesn't sound very accurate to me. The FAA is not particularly impressed by tall buildings, and I can't imagine them relenting to a "but it NEEEEDS a spire!" argument.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 07:35 AM   #518
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Do you know something we dont? And where do you get your info?
actual i kinda do, my step dad knows the architect of the spire
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Old February 10th, 2007, 09:14 AM   #519
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Wow big deal, I guess it makes you feel good and superior inside huh Megatower?

Who cares if your stepdad knows the architect, it's not like you are going to get more information than us. You're a member of the public, like everyone else.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 10:25 AM   #520
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I am mesmerized by the rendering with the 'light spire'. If that were a real spire then by far this would be the most beautiful building proposed! Hopefully they can finagle slightly over 2000' with a real spire!
that would be the best. a 2000' tall tower with a spire
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