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Old February 28th, 2007, 02:43 AM   #561
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RE: The Silk Exchange, Valencia and The Chicago Spire

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Old February 28th, 2007, 05:51 AM   #562
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Now that the mayor won again. How long do we have to wait for any new news, and lets hope is good.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 08:38 AM   #563
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Now that the mayor won again. How long do we have to wait for any new news, and lets hope is good.
More importantly, what happens if this holds up:

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And by "good" do you mean the people of Chicago not settling for this sorry replacement of a true masterpiece just so we can have the tallest building in the country?
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Old February 28th, 2007, 09:04 AM   #564
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Lets get Natarus out of there!!
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Old February 28th, 2007, 09:35 AM   #565
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And by "good" do you mean the people of Chicago not settling for this sorry replacement of a true masterpiece just so we can have the tallest building in the country?

Well said. This project lost its integrity. Most people want it built, but I think we Chicagoans shouldn't settle for great height alone. The original design was breathtaking to say the least. This project has proven to time and time again compromise Calatrava's original intent of architectural art in exchange for more profits. Not to say it's any surprise since it happens all the time in developments, but I'm still disappointed to have seen this thing progress the way it has.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 11:06 AM   #566
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Well said. This project lost its integrity. Most people want it built, but I think we Chicagoans shouldn't settle for great height alone. The original design was breathtaking to say the least. This project has proven to time and time again compromise Calatrava's original intent of architectural art in exchange for more profits. Not to say it's any surprise since it happens all the time in developments, but I'm still disappointed to have seen this thing progress the way it has.
The first design was unrealistic, un-buildable and would have been unprofitable. You people need to get over the first design. This project by no means has lost its integrity, and no-one is settling on the design for its shear height, but because we believe it to be something special. Because of how the structure would have been, there would have only been a small part of sellable floor space.

I find it ironic that when Petronas won "the world's tallest building" title with the help of a spire, Chicagoans bitched and moaned, but when it's out turn for a mega-tall, and the spire is removed and replaced with actual structure, people bitch and moan again, but for the opposite reason.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 01:26 PM   #567
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Lets get Natarus out of there!!
Apparently he conceded.

I still don't know how I feel about Riley, the night we meet him everything he said was political double talk.

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Old February 28th, 2007, 01:30 PM   #568
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The first design was unrealistic, un-buildable and would have been unprofitable. You people need to get over the first design. This project by no means has lost its integrity, and no-one is settling on the design for its shear height, but because we believe it to be something special. Because of how the structure would have been, there would have only been a small part of sellable floor space.
Honestly when I go back and look at the original design, I'm not nearly as excited about it as well when it first came out. Taken on their individual merits, I've liked every design of the building, but I like the original the least. I think this is like people talking about the "good old days", everything looks better in hinesight.

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Old February 28th, 2007, 04:38 PM   #569
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I really do not care how tall it is. I do like the new design. This is a masterpiece, if this building would have been in any other city most of us will be saying wow. All i am afraid of is that if this building is not build we might have another cheap box with glass.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 07:03 PM   #570
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I really do not care how tall it is. I do like the new design. This is a masterpiece, if this building would have been in any other city most of us will be saying wow. All i am afraid of is that if this building is not build we might have another cheap box with glass.
If people are going to build a cheap box with glass then they have several other lakefront locations to do it. That's the least of my worries. I don't like the idea of this building defining the Chicago skyline. If we have to go with this particular design I'd rather see it scaled down quite a bit so that it doesn't dominate.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 07:13 PM   #571
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The first design was unrealistic, un-buildable and would have been unprofitable. You people need to get over the first design. This project by no means has lost its integrity, and no-one is settling on the design for its shear height, but because we believe it to be something special. Because of how the structure would have been, there would have only been a small part of sellable floor space.
I know that the first design was difficult from a financial perspective, but I never heard that it was unrealistic and un-buildable. Can you explain?

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I find it ironic that when Petronas won "the world's tallest building" title with the help of a spire, Chicagoans bitched and moaned, but when it's out turn for a mega-tall, and the spire is removed and replaced with actual structure, people bitch and moan again, but for the opposite reason.
I could care less about the height of the spire vs. structure. In the end, can anyone stand at the base of Sears and then go stand at the base of Petronas and say, "Oh yeah, this one is higher, therefore making it superior"? No. I want a structure of this size to enhance the skyline, not dominate it. The first design had the elegence to do so. I'll take beauty over height any day.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 01:03 AM   #572
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Taken from SOAR's website: http://soarchicago.org/Spire032007.cfm



March 26, 2007
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Kelleher, Calatrava, and Perkins + Will

Also mentions that CS will be on the April 19 agenda.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 02:00 AM   #573
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is that good news or bad news
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Old March 1st, 2007, 04:40 AM   #574
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I know that the first design was difficult from a financial perspective, but I never heard that it was unrealistic and un-buildable. Can you explain?
When the construction estimates ballooned from $500M to over $1B the building became completely unrealistic. The cost to purchase a unit in the tower would have been prohibitively high and no bank would have backed it.
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When the construction estimates ballooned from $500M to over $1B the building became completely unrealistic. The cost to purchase a unit in the tower would have been prohibitively high and no bank would have backed it.

Right, but there was no structural problem with the design, correct? Financials aside.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 09:58 AM   #576
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I could also go on on how The Illinois is a much more awesome building than the Burj Dubai (as an example), but it doesn't matter; The Illinois is just a vision. Ver. A and B is pretty much like that, a vision. While the CS is also designed to attract people with its architecture, I honestly think its main purpose is to sell condos and make money. Ver. A and B. might as well be a very large statue.

Looking back, the antenna'd versions, estimated at 500 million USD, is way too optimistic.
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Old March 4th, 2007, 10:49 PM   #577
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Didn't post this here for some reason

Taken from SOAR's website: http://soarchicago.org/Spire032007.cfm



March 26, 2007
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Kelleher, Calatrava, and Perkins + Will

Also mentions that CS will be on the April 19 agenda.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 11:48 AM   #578
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I got signed up to go to that meeting even though I'm not really from Streeterville. But I can't see the harm in attending. :-\
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Old March 8th, 2007, 12:32 AM   #579
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http://www.suntimes.com/business/roe...eder07.article

CALENDAR NOTE:

At 5:30 p.m. Monday, the Chicago Architecture Foundation hosts a presentation on the Chicago spire, the proposed 2,000-foot-tall building on the lakefront by architect Santiago Calatrava. Developer Garrett Kelleher will do the presenting. It'll be interesting to see which version he uses. The event is at the ArchiCenter, 224 S. Michigan, and details are at www.architecture.org.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 04:39 AM   #580
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Good news from OUC (Office of Underground Coordination)!

They applied for more permits for borings. OUC said construction is getting closer. Its not caissons, but OUC said they are the next step.
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