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Old July 10th, 2008, 02:43 PM   #6661
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Be sure that a lot of people would want a goofy spire just to surpas Burj Dubai.

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Old July 10th, 2008, 03:25 PM   #6662
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Chicago, being the birthplace of modern architecture and design, is beyond playing the "tallest" attempts game now. Let's face it, no matter how tall we go in the U.S., there is always going to be some country/city in the East/MidEast who has something to prove. Like we did in the past. But with it's historical and international reputation, Chicago is beyond that kind of thinking. Also, Chicago is not the kind of City that believes in "fake height". This entire spire trend is not only played out, it's a pathetic attempt by some to pretend to be players in the supertall game and their not fooling anyone. It's a trend that even NYC has latched onto. We all understand NY's fear to build tall, but how many 50, 60, 70 floor building are they going to build(freedom tower just mention one of several of late) with a 500 ft. spire and continue to have credibility. It's a joke really. Even the Trump Spire is minimal, compared to the others popping up. The Chicago Spire at one point a technological spire of light, however, I'm sure if it is still a part of the plans.
im sry but i think that NYC claims the title of "birthplace of modern architecture". First 1000 footers, tallest buildings, etc.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 04:12 PM   #6663
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Burj Dubai being the talleest is fair, its the pinnacle of a huge complex and marks a new era in the construction of high buildings. The spire has a great height for Chicago and if it was to be built higher all dimensions would ned to be increased to make it look good, which is not viable.

What matters is how a building looks and works in its given environment.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 04:18 PM   #6664
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im sry but i think that NYC claims the title of "birthplace of modern architecture". First 1000 footers, tallest buildings, etc.


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Old July 10th, 2008, 05:00 PM   #6665
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i 100% hope it gets built and that they'll find enough buyers worldwide to sell out. it will raise the bar in residential architecture in this P & H and lowenberg lowest common denominator city once and for all. i'm still a little suspect though because left & right, experienced chicago developers with a track record in this city and marketplace have commented to me this project is iffy at best especially in this current financial market. i'm hoping the foreign investors are really going to come through in the end.

that being said...i also hope they finally give it a top....again..., because you have to judge architecture of this caliper- i.e., one that SAYS it's going to change the world in its ads- by what it IS, not how close it gets to what it could've been.

if this building was designed by someone named joey calatrava and not santiago calatrava, would you honestly be as excited by this CURRENT version? the original fordham version is still the best out of all of them.
So many land mines here, planted all around, primed to detonate & distract as one attempts to extract the on-point opinion. Surely there are some who will like the Spire, regardless of merit, because it is a Calatrava project; surely there are some who will dislike the Spire, regardless of merit, because it is a Calatrava project. So what? You have your own qualified take on it, which is more interesting to me than what you think other people might or might not be thinking.

(Edit: I've moved my response to the bit on Aqua into the Chicago/Aqua thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...349402&page=19)

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Old July 10th, 2008, 05:12 PM   #6666
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^ Chicago may be the Birthplace of modern architecture, but there is no doubt that NYC has a far greater collection of the different styles of architecture (art deco, post modern, etc...)
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Old July 10th, 2008, 05:27 PM   #6667
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lets just agree both cities are great.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 05:39 PM   #6668
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^ Chicago may be the Birthplace of modern architecture, but there is no doubt that NYC has a far greater collection of the different styles of architecture (art deco, post modern, etc...)
Well duh New York has more, but I don't think the prior posters comments has anything to do with quantity.

Give us a little bit of credit.

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lets just agree both cities are great.
I can do that.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 06:49 PM   #6669
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NYC: most number of supertalls in the world (according to skyscraperpage)

Chicago: hometown of the skyscraper.

But NYC no doubt has most famous and historically brilliant skyscrapers.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:07 PM   #6670
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NYC: most number of supertalls in the world (according to skyscraperpage)

Chicago: hometown of the skyscraper.

But NYC no doubt has most famous and historically brilliant skyscrapers.
seriously this debate goes no where.

Chicago no doubt has most famous and historically brilliant skyscrapers.


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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:12 PM   #6671
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YAY the Chicago vs Dubai discussion has finally ended.... oh whats this Chicago vs New York now....

Let's speed things up:

London vs Chicago: London has lot's of groundscrapers and it's few skyscrapers are well designed, Chicago has bigger buildings.

Shanghai vs Chicago: Shanghai has loopy designed buildings chicago is appratnly the home of the boxy skyscraper

CN tower vs Chicago: CN tower is a pointless needle, yet it's very big

Any others or can we start talking about this skyscraper again?
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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:34 PM   #6672
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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:03 PM   #6673
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im sry but i think that NYC claims the title of "birthplace of modern architecture". First 1000 footers, tallest buildings, etc.
Do your homework. How can you be on this forum and not know the basics.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #6674
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^ Chicago may be the Birthplace of modern architecture, but there is no doubt that NYC has a far greater collection of the different styles of architecture (art deco, post modern, etc...)
That may be true. However, Chi has, since the 1800's, combined excellent architecture and urban design with a people who have a passion for such and great marketing. Boosterism at it's best. Which, I guess, is why Chi is synonymous with Architecture.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:19 PM   #6675
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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:19 PM   #6676
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can u guys STFU and get back to the topic
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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:24 PM   #6677
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Does anyone know if the "light-beam" spire is still a part of the Chi Spire plans?
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Old July 10th, 2008, 09:14 PM   #6678
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Does anyone know if the "light-beam" spire is still a part of the Chi Spire plans?
nothing's been confirmed on that aspect.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 09:16 PM   #6679
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The complains about ChicagoSpire is getting rather appalling here.Most of us seem to forget that the people responsible for the engineering works are professionals and are taking their time to perfect their job. This is more or less a residential building which large number of people are going to live for quite a long time and, with that height it needs the best construction engeering available.So, let them have enough time in the whole world to do the work perfectly well!
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Old July 11th, 2008, 12:48 AM   #6680
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Is there any good reason for not putting in observation deck for chicago spire?

Apart from to make this tower the tallest all residential building.
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