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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:05 PM   #6741
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The public ammenities on the ground floors! They would need more than a super pump to get water to the last floor.
? ? ? Why is this so exciting? ? Pumping water that high is not really a big issue, there will be multiple pumps on various levels all the way up so extreme pressures are not required in any one area.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 08:00 PM   #6742
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I feel like we're missing some posts.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 09:17 PM   #6743
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I feel like we're missing some posts.
Hmmmm... strangely I feel the same way... I can't imagine why they might have disappeared...

It's going to be sooooooooooo awesome once this building begins to rise. Now that CASE is about done it will be interesting to see how things progress (though I'm sure it will be slow... but you can't expect the transition to be like that of a NASCAR pit crew changing a few tires)
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Old July 15th, 2008, 09:26 PM   #6744
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the posts have been deleted by a mod, because of spamming, off topic or whatever
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Old July 15th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #6745
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the posts have been deleted by a mod, because of spamming, off topic or whatever
lol... I know that (I was being sacastic)

Yes... I love the smileys...

OK back to the Spire
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Old July 15th, 2008, 09:43 PM   #6746
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? ? ? Why is this so exciting? ? Pumping water that high is not really a big issue, there will be multiple pumps on various levels all the way up so extreme pressures are not required in any one area.
That`s true! Efficient and, a problem with one means problem with the multiple pumps - meaning the topmost floor is often at more risk.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 12:02 PM   #6747
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i wonder how fast water from the toilet will fall from the top floor.
now that i think about it are there set backs to slow it down or is it just a straight fall all the the way down. some one should flush a camera from the sears tower to see where it goes
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Old July 16th, 2008, 01:45 PM   #6748
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That`s true! Efficient and, a problem with one means problem with the multiple pumps - meaning the topmost floor is often at more risk.
They will probably, almost certainly, build some redundancy into the system so that if one pump fails then it doesn't effect the overall. I'd guess they'd design it so that water will reach the top with two failed pumps. They do the same thing with power lines.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 04:24 PM   #6749
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don't want to cause offense because I really like this project... but is it really going to be built? this thread has 278 pages now and it's still just a hole. does anyone know what's happening?


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Old July 16th, 2008, 04:36 PM   #6750
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there are rumours that they're having trouble with funding as banks are not willing to fund projects unless they have a high percentage of presales. since they haven't been able to sell many units yet it'll probably be a while before the real construction starts. it'll get there eventually but given the state of the real estate market in the US and the fact that this tower is so much above market rates it may take a while to sort out this issue
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Old July 16th, 2008, 04:40 PM   #6751
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don't want to cause offense because I really like this project... but is it really going to be built? this thread has 278 pages now and it's still just a hole. does anyone know what's happening?


of course it will be build ....., you have absolutely no notion what it means to build a 610m tall skyscraper! Did you ever heard something from Foundations??

they started in June 2007, and finished now...so lets say arround 1 year, quite normal for a tower of that size. and when the new contractor has arrived on the site you'll see much progress in a short time
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Old July 16th, 2008, 05:15 PM   #6752
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don't want to cause offense because I really like this project... but is it really going to be built? this thread has 278 pages now and it's still just a hole. does anyone know what's happening?



A lot of those pages were design stage speculation. It's amazing how much conversation a single render can generate on these forums. Also Harry has been updating almost daily with amazing and extensive shots of the ground work. So it is unfair to compare it to say the freedom tower thread where pictures are few and far between. This skyscraper has progressed far far faster than i would have expected. I thought it would still be on the drawing board by now, let alone ready to start rising.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 06:08 PM   #6753
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:)

They can always switch to plan B

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ps. I also like this project, and think it is going to be one of Chicago most iconic buildings. (When it gets finished)
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Old July 16th, 2008, 06:13 PM   #6754
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It will ,untill they build another taller skyscraper
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Old July 16th, 2008, 06:49 PM   #6755
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Right now were just waiting for the main constructor to come in. Maybe there still are some negotiations about the final price, that take a bit of time before they start?
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Old July 16th, 2008, 09:13 PM   #6756
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July 15 - Lunch

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No sign of utility work today, but the top down work has begun.
Not sure who the contractor is ( Dixon ? ) but they are putting "a small capwall in".

Scraping off the top of the secant wall







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The worker in the background is drilling holes in the tops of the secant caissons, the one in the foreground is sticking the rebar in.



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Old July 16th, 2008, 11:43 PM   #6757
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Thank you harryc for saving this thread!

I would almost say, please don't have any holidays or anything that doesn't make you update again. But that would just be a bit to selfish (very much indeed), so I won't. Do what you like!

But it's good to see that there is progress, it will be interesting to see if they will follow the steps from the animation or if we will see something different.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 03:21 AM   #6758
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Hey guys... perhaps we need to face a harsh reality relating to the spire...

The real estate market in the United States is in worse than dismal shape. Foreclosures continue in record numbers (up 53% in June alone), year over year sales down BIGTIME. Fannie Mae in big trouble as they were left holding the bag with funny paper from the banks foolish lending. One report I just read is the US real estate market could be on the hook for over 4 trillion dollars in losses. Good old fashioned greed is to blame for this debacle that is dragging the world economy down with it (that includes the bubble called Dubai --- NEVER trust a bubble!)...

Ok I know this blog is about the Chicago Spire and if any of you take umbrage at what I write then by all means counter my own opinion that is based on my interpretation of market facts that I can back up (of course this not the blog for that). That fact is that this project is in serious jeopardy of being put on hold. The risks are just too high for the lenders at this point and it appears not enough units have been pre-sold to satisfy lenders draconian conditions. Viewing the pictures it is very easy to secure the site in much the way the other supertall in Chicago was put on hold in mid construction. I sincerely hope that I am wrong on this and will gladly eat crow if I am wrong. It is not that this project does not have a world class "cool" factor -- it does.

So lets hope in the coming months we see the next phase of construction starting but we should not be surprised if this is put on hold.

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Thanks for the heads up but I'd rather wait for the official press release. Last I heard the units were selling and Mr. Kelleher was financing the project with his own money until the end of the year. So, until then and until I see some hardcore information (press release for an example) saying there's trouble, I'll continue to believe this building is doing just fine. Now, I understand how bad things are right now but I'm not one to stick a fork in a project untill the fat lady officially sings.
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The real estate market in the United States is in worse than dismal shape. Foreclosures continue in record numbers (up 53% in June alone), year over year sales down BIGTIME.
This doesn't apply to ultra-luxury properties.
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