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Old October 18th, 2008, 01:48 AM   #7901
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Old October 18th, 2008, 01:54 AM   #7902
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i hope someone else picks up this project
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Old October 18th, 2008, 01:56 AM   #7903
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Dang guys, this is terrible. The CS is my favorite skyscraper. Terrible.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:04 AM   #7904
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this may kind of be a weird question for some of you guys but...

Q.if this tower is struggling to get built and the financial crisis all the other stuff thats happening to the tower,then why isn't freedom tower struggling to get built.i mean thats a really big project too.shouldn't it be struggling to get built because of the financial crisis too.
(its not like i dont want the freedom tower to not get built or anything like that but isn't that a really big project and shouldn't it be struggling against the financial crisis too.)

sorry if i was off topic.now back to the topic
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:14 AM   #7905
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It has a far bigger financial backing from what i've heard, so it'll keep going anyway.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:21 AM   #7906
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this may kind of be a weird question for some of you guys but...

Q.if this tower is struggling to get built and the financial crisis all the other stuff thats happening to the tower,then why isn't freedom tower struggling to get built.i mean thats a really big project too.shouldn't it be struggling to get built because of the financial crisis too.
(its not like i dont want the freedom tower to not get built or anything like that but isn't that a really big project and shouldn't it be struggling against the financial crisis too.)

sorry if i was off topic.now back to the topic
much of the money has already been put down for the freedom tower, also the businesses building it arent hurting too bad from the financial crisis, and this is a project that is being constructed with help of the government so it is going to be built no matter what with the government involved
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:32 AM   #7907
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FT and CS are completely two different stories. Calatrava packing up and leave is ... BAAAAAD
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:40 AM   #7908
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this may kind of be a weird question for some of you guys but...

Q.if this tower is struggling to get built and the financial crisis all the other stuff thats happening to the tower,then why isn't freedom tower struggling to get built.i mean thats a really big project too.shouldn't it be struggling to get built because of the financial crisis too.
(its not like i dont want the freedom tower to not get built or anything like that but isn't that a really big project and shouldn't it be struggling against the financial crisis too.)

sorry if i was off topic.now back to the topic

It is my understanding the commercial real estate market is not hurting as much in the States as the residential. Because the FT is mixed use/commercial, then the financial likelihood of it being built is much greater than the wholly residential CS.

Also, the value of the property in NY is far greater than for the CS, therefore letting it go undeveloped would be much more painful than letting the CS go undeveloped. In line with that, much more work has already been done prepping the FT area than the CS, so 'sunk' costs are far greater for the FT than the CS, meaning abandoning the FT would be far more painful than the CS.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:40 AM   #7909
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11.34 Million dollars ? For what? To do a few sketches?
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:41 AM   #7910
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this may kind of be a weird question for some of you guys but...

Q.if this tower is struggling to get built and the financial crisis all the other stuff thats happening to the tower,then why isn't freedom tower struggling to get built.i mean thats a really big project too.shouldn't it be struggling to get built because of the financial crisis too.
(its not like i dont want the freedom tower to not get built or anything like that but isn't that a really big project and shouldn't it be struggling against the financial crisis too.)

sorry if i was off topic.now back to the topic
At the beginning, Freedom Tower and the rest of WTC rebuild DID had its own struggles to get it rebuilt after years of delaying the project for various reasons. Finally they got it pulled it together to make it happen.

I hope the developer will find the ways to pay the architects and pull it together to build beautiful Chicago Spires.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:43 AM   #7911
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11.34 Million dollars ? For what? To do a few sketches?
No not just few sketches... It includes labors, CAD (Computer Aid Drafting), sketches, engineering, architect fees, hour of works, materials, numerous of meeting to discuss the projects, several 3D models, renderings, etc.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:48 AM   #7912
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Another in a long line of failed tallests for Chicago ?
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Old October 18th, 2008, 03:01 AM   #7913
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11.34 Million dollars ? For what? To do a few sketches?
It's MUCH more than a few sketches...I'd know, lol.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 03:03 AM   #7914
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I would be very upset if the Chicago Spire is cancelled. So much anticipation and enthusiasm over nothing now. Not happy!!!
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Old October 18th, 2008, 03:40 AM   #7915
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Old October 18th, 2008, 06:10 AM   #7916
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Another in a long line of failed tallests for Chicago ?
What are you talking about? The entire foundation is already complete! One that supports a supertall, something big will go up there sooner or later, settle down.

On a positive note it's good to finally see the Spire under a proper construction label, "pending" was totally unacceptable. I'm also confident Shelbourne will sort out these problems with time. Historically speaking, large projects are known for their large delays; including the Shanghai World Financial Center and Freedom Tower. I'm not all that worried, the economy will come back again.

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Old October 18th, 2008, 08:43 AM   #7917
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Regarding the Freedom Tower/Spire comparison:

In my view there is a huge difference between these, because the Freedom Tower will end up being the skycraper in the US with the most symbolic value and emotional attachment to it. The Spire is "just" an amazing building.

It would be disastrous if the Freedom Tower were never built.

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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:45 PM   #7918
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Regarding the Freedom Tower/Spire comparison:

In my view there is a huge difference between these, because the Freedom Tower will end up being the skycraper in the US with the most symbolic value and emotional attachment to it. The Spire is "just" an amazing building.

It would be disastrous if the Freedom Tower were never built.

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Then maybe your opinion but I'm sure the opinion of many Americans is different. Freedom Tower is just another tall building, there's nothing special about the design our height of the building. Sure it replaces the twin towers and the memorial to them is very symbolic but FT itself is just another building.

Chicago Spire on the other hand is a special building. It will be the tallest building in America by quite a bit, it will be the tallest all residential building in the world and it's the first building in America to reach the maximum "allowable" height for construction here.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 03:22 PM   #7919
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Freedom Tower is just another tall building, there's nothing special about the design our height of the building.
Not quite right, the height will be 1776 feet, which is the year of the declaration of independence. So the height will special.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 04:59 PM   #7920
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stay on topic guys, please!
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