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Old October 18th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #7921
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I know it is another just another building - that's why we are discussing it here. I personally do not care about what it symbolizes, but ever since 9/11 it was the plan to rebuild that site in order to show the World that the US can not be brought to its knees and Spire doesn't have that extra reason for staying on track which means that it will get build no matter what.

Yes, even in the case of the Freedom Tower market powers will rule, but obviously Spire cannot be built (at present) due to the financial crisis. I'll bet you that regardless of the financial situation Freedom Tower will be completed (or would have been).

And it is on topic - we are discussing Spire by comparing it with other projects

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Old October 18th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #7922
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This is not a vs thread, it is a Chicago spire thread only. If you like to discuss comparisons then go to the rate my cities threads.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 06:01 PM   #7923
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Have there been any other major buildings in Chicago that have been started and never finished?
The 17-story apartment building at 6230 N. Kenmore stood unfinished from 1930–1941. In the early 90s, a six-story office building in Oak Brook stood as just the steel frame for several years.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #7924
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$11.34M just to Calatrava?
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Old October 18th, 2008, 06:25 PM   #7925
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Old October 18th, 2008, 07:40 PM   #7926
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See
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Spire pay dispute spurs doubt
Calatrava among consultants filing millions in liens against developer
By Mary Ellen Podmolik and Blair Kamin | Chicago Tribune reporters
October 18, 2008
The Chicago Spire's penthouse may be sold but there is growing doubt whether the project will rise out of the hole that's been created at 400 N. Lake Shore Drive.

Consultants on the project are starting to line up seeking payment for their work on the development, designed to become the tallest skyscraper in the United States and one of the tallest in the world. The most well-known of the consultants, architect Santiago Calatrava, filed a lien on Oct. 8 through his Lente Festina Ltd., seeking more than $11.3 million in payment from Spire developer Shelbourne Development Group Inc.

Separately, Chicago-based architectural design firm Perkins+Will Inc. filed a lien against Shelbourne for almost $4.85 million in payment. The two liens were filed with the Cook County recorder of deeds.

The liens suggest the project's financing, as well as its feasibility, is shaky.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 08:33 PM   #7927
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come on.can't we ever here good new about the cs.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 08:34 PM   #7928
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lol, the title of this thread has changed a few times over the last couple of days.... pending...on hold....u/c....

make up your mind mods
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Old October 18th, 2008, 08:37 PM   #7929
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What are you talking about? The entire foundation is already complete! One that supports a supertall, something big will go up there sooner or later, settle down.

On a positive note it's good to finally see the Spire under a proper construction label, "pending" was totally unacceptable. I'm also confident Shelbourne will sort out these problems with time. Historically speaking, large projects are known for their large delays; including the Shanghai World Financial Center and Freedom Tower. I'm not all that worried, the economy will come back again.
Sounds like you need to chiilax yourself. If it's going to get built, it's going to get built.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 09:47 PM   #7930
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Not quite right, the height will be 1776 feet, which is the year of the declaration of independence. So the height will special.
If the building itself was 1776 feet tall I agree it would be special but as it is based on a stupid looking spire on top to get that height which doesn't mean a whole lot. The best solution would have been the roof at 1776 and the top of the spire at 2001 feet.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 10:09 PM   #7931
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ok ok no more fighting about freedom tower and cs.now lets get back to the topic.sheesh.too many fights on this thread.you know that the mods can lock this thread whenever they want if this gets out of control.look what happend to the freedom tower thread.its locked.look,the point is...stop fighting if you dont want this thread to be locked.


so just chill!!!
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Old October 19th, 2008, 12:37 AM   #7932
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Generally speaking, do you think there's a realistic chance the spire won't get built?
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Old October 19th, 2008, 01:27 AM   #7933
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At least the waterview tower is well ahead of schedule
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Old October 19th, 2008, 03:01 AM   #7934
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If the building itself was 1776 feet tall I agree it would be special but as it is based on a stupid looking spire on top to get that height which doesn't mean a whole lot. The best solution would have been the roof at 1776 and the top of the spire at 2001 feet.
I agree with you. That would be a perfect solution: 1776 AND 2001! That's a fantastic idea.

Of course, there is only one problem: In the USA, the maximum height of structures of any kind is restricted to 2,000 feet (609.6 metres). However, there are exceptions possible, if a taller structure would be in public benefit (like the KXTV/KOVR Tower) or, of course, if the structure is older than the restriction law, which was made in 1965, as in case of the KVLY/KTHI TV Mast. Under current laws, the US will never be able to surpass Burj Dubai
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Old October 19th, 2008, 03:29 AM   #7935
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I agree with you. That would be a perfect solution: 1776 AND 2001! That's a fantastic idea.

Of course, there is only one problem: In the USA, the maximum height of structures of any kind is restricted to 2,000 feet (609.6 metres). However, there are exceptions possible, if a taller structure would be in public benefit (like the KXTV/KOVR Tower) or, of course, if the structure is older than the restriction law, which was made in 1965, as in case of the KVLY/KTHI TV Mast. Under current laws, the US will never be able to surpass Burj Dubai
interesting, do you have any idea if that restriction will change?
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Old October 19th, 2008, 04:04 AM   #7936
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Of course, there is only one problem: In the USA, the maximum height of structures of any kind is restricted to 2,000 feet (609.6 metres). However, there are exceptions possible, if a taller structure would be in public benefit (like the KXTV/KOVR Tower) or, of course, if the structure is older than the restriction law, which was made in 1965, as in case of the KVLY/KTHI TV Mast. Under current laws, the US will never be able to surpass Burj Dubai
Yeah, but that's probably going to change one day, especially with the kind of government that's most likely going to be elected the next few elections. The 2000 feet is not binding, as you said, and the ordinance was made in 1965. A lot has changed since then, I don't think many would oppose a change in the law anymore. Chicago as a whole, for example, has been very supportive of building the tallest structure in North America. I can understand why they have the law in place, but a lot has changed in aviation technology since it was first introduced.

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Old October 19th, 2008, 05:43 AM   #7937
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And all Chicago has is one deep ass hole to show for it.....


This project is dead.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 12:42 AM   #7938
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a lot has changed in aviation technology since it was first introduced.
But the FAA hasn't.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 03:56 AM   #7939
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But the FAA hasn't.
Depends who gets appointed to the FFA, that's what I said. And if government doesn’t appeal the law, when it gets challenged by a developer (and it will), fine by me. They obviously have a good reason to keep it in place. The law may seem like a drag, until someone crashes a jet liner in the Burj Dubai. Unlikely, but who knows. We really don't need the 2000ft+ towers here anyway, we have plenty of usable land. And we're lucky to have that, because most countries don't. I’m sure one of our big cites will get something above that mark one day in the near future.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 04:11 AM   #7940
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wow..is there really a restriction on towers being 2000 ft or less in the US?
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