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Old December 27th, 2008, 01:17 AM   #8221
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Horrible news....
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for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus
The Roman Antiquities of Dionysius of Halicarnassus
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...assus/1B*.html

Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece". Strabo, VII, Frg. 9
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...ragments*.html

But north of the gulf, the first inhabitants are Greeks called Epirotes....
Procopius
http://books.google.com/books?id=9m6...page&q&f=false
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Old December 27th, 2008, 04:25 AM   #8222
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I wonder if the ice will affect any concrete structures inside the hole???
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Old December 27th, 2008, 05:14 AM   #8223
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assuming he wont get financing what will happen with the foundation? that hole cant stay forever.

wrong thread but same for waterview. that shell cant stay forever and the city must do something because its blocking a lane on wacker.

sad sad times...heres to better times in 09....or 10....or 11 or however long it takes to rebound
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Old December 27th, 2008, 05:43 AM   #8224
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Wow things really don't look too good.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 06:50 AM   #8225
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This is one of the most unique buildings. Nice design. I'm commenting about the pictures on the first page.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 07:06 AM   #8226
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Nope - a frequent condition is low clouds/fog over the lake in the early morning. For many years I watched the sun come up under the cloud layer as I biked to work in the (very) early morning.

Dec 12th, buildings in the forground are Trump Tower (L) and Aon (R)


and while not Wisconsin the light pollution isn't as bad as the east coast, and I imagine Tokyo. ( Chicago 9M, Tokyo 35M )
Harry is right these are not rain clouds these are lake effect clouds caused by the warmer lake and colder surrounding air mass. These clouds are rather common in cold weather early in winter.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 03:47 PM   #8227
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This is truely a project on ice.



It won't be easy to get another bank to finance the tower if that Irish drops out.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 06:26 PM   #8228
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cripes, the SunTimes newstory isn't sounding good. Looks like they need a white knight investor, and sharpish. Only 1/3rd of apartments sold......isn't quite whats needed. A 170m residential tower here in Leeds had 66% of apartments sold, but is now on ice as the developer (Linfoot) and financier (Halifax Bank of Scotland) are in crisis (the latter being taken over by high street rival Lloyds TSB).

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=476813

Good luck, it would be a tragedy if this didn't go ahead.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 10:47 PM   #8229
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The foundation should be capped and the lot sold, and, hopefully, a new buyer can use the pre-existing excavation adaptively for a smaller structure.

This project is not happening. It will be used a marker for the top of the real estate bubble for economic history buffs, when an out of towner could come to Chicago and start a billion dollar condo project with virtually no pre-sales. Those were the good old days, unfortunately gone now. Relegate this one to the history books.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 10:58 PM   #8230
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The foundation should be capped and the lot sold, and, hopefully, a new buyer can use the pre-existing excavation adaptively for a smaller structure.

This project is not happening. It will be used a marker for the top of the real estate bubble for economic history buffs, when an out of towner could come to Chicago and start a billion dollar condo project with virtually no pre-sales. Those were the good old days, unfortunately gone now. Relegate this one to the history books.
I don't know if I really want to see this beautiful design cast off in favor of a more practical boring design. What happened to America being an innovator? A design like this is going up nowhere else in the world, not even Dubai!
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Old December 27th, 2008, 11:01 PM   #8231
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Its a shame. This was a nice project, i had hoped it would be an example for future growth......
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Old December 27th, 2008, 11:06 PM   #8232
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Can everyone stop pretending to be ******* Nostradamus here. It is not for sure cancelled, and it is not for sure going to be built. Until we get more information, keep your prophecies to yourself because it is just annoying the hell out of a lot of us.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 01:24 AM   #8233
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KngKyle. Yes i hope that it gets built. But one can only guess what might happen next if they say it is on hold. There are 1200 residences, it's pretty difficult to convince a bank to fund a project with only a fraction of the units sold.
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Old December 29th, 2008, 01:47 AM   #8234
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I am optimistic this project will go on. This will be the Chicago version of the Empire State Building construction in the 1930s when Great Depression hit but the construction goes on. KEEP IT UP CHICAGO!
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Old December 29th, 2008, 12:06 PM   #8235
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I wonder if the ice will affect any concrete structures inside the hole???
The ice effects on liquid concrete, it freezes it...
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Old December 29th, 2008, 03:32 PM   #8236
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I wonder if the ice will affect any concrete structures inside the hole???
the concrete will contract in unnoticeable size.
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Old December 29th, 2008, 04:41 PM   #8237
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Can everyone stop pretending to be ******* Nostradamus here. It is not for sure cancelled, and it is not for sure going to be built. Until we get more information, keep your prophecies to yourself because it is just annoying the hell out of a lot of us.

Lacking in tact perhaps but 100% right on, LOL. You can't get a loan to buy a car in this country right now and you folks are lathering about a developer who can't get money to build something with zero guarantee of any more than the 30% that is already sold. NO bank is going to finance this thing right now so just keep your shorts on and WAIT to see what happens. Check back in six to eight months.......
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Old December 29th, 2008, 08:03 PM   #8238
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Old December 29th, 2008, 08:36 PM   #8239
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Sorry if this is a stupid question, or if it has an obvious answer, but could someone tell me what style of architecture this is and what Santiago Calatrava uses in most of his designs?
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Old December 29th, 2008, 08:43 PM   #8240
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Sorry if this is a stupid question, or if it has an obvious answer, but could someone tell me what style of architecture this is and what Santiago Calatrava uses in most of his designs?
What do you mean with what Calatrava uses in his designs?

Calatrava's style is very personal and doesn't really belong in a kind of architecture. Mostly he's inspired by the human body and nature.

He's a sculptor too

Something that always comes back in his designs are the arches. Almost every work of him has something with arches in it.

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