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Old September 19th, 2009, 07:53 AM   #8941
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Isn't there an observation deck on the Hancock Tower? That's partially a residential building.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 08:48 AM   #8942
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Yea doesnt look to good for this building
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Old September 19th, 2009, 08:54 AM   #8943
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Old September 19th, 2009, 08:57 AM   #8944
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Could You please give the link to the original version of this spectacular photo?
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Old September 19th, 2009, 09:21 AM   #8945
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Isn't there an observation deck on the Hancock Tower? That's partially a residential building.
Like you said it is mixed use, so it already has a large lobby and express elevators to the top.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 09:49 PM   #8946
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WOW an ice age.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 07:28 PM   #8947
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WOW an ice age.
im confused by that... what do you mean? (what are you referring to?)
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Old September 20th, 2009, 10:54 PM   #8948
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im confused by that... what do you mean? (what are you referring to?)
If you think about the clouds as ice you get chicago in an ice age
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Old September 21st, 2009, 05:32 PM   #8949
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IF the Spire had an observation deck, I would guess it would become a major tourist attraction. Do you think the Burj Dubai will become a major world wide tourist attraction? How will they handle it? Parking, lobbies, separate areas for hotel guests, residential owners, tourists...
I think Chicago can figure it out if the Dubai guys can manage all of it.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 10:05 PM   #8950
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IF the Spire had an observation deck, I would guess it would become a major tourist attraction. Do you think the Burj Dubai will become a major world wide tourist attraction? How will they handle it? Parking, lobbies, separate areas for hotel guests, residential owners, tourists...
I think Chicago can figure it out if the Dubai guys can manage all of it.
The Burj Dubai area was built from scratch on acres of free land. With an area like that, you can take the necessary technical precautions to create an adapt environment. The Spire will (hopefully) rise on a piece of land extremely small.

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I dont think we need more proof to understand this discussion is seriously pointless. I'm sure the people in charge, the engineers, designers and managers have taken these kind of things into consideration before spending millions, and have nothing to learn (in this regard) from random posts on a forum. No?

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Old September 22nd, 2009, 03:17 PM   #8951
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There's a DICK's Last Resort NEAR THE SPIRE! They got me good on my last visit to Myrtle Beach. They put a giant paper condom on my head with the words "I blew Bubbles when I was a kid" on it. Then they put one on my friend across the table that said "Hi, I'm Bubbles".

I think the direct highway access makes the Spire an even better location for a tourist trap.

There is a point to the discussion. There is nothing else to discuss about the Spire. It is an abandoned (for now) empty hole on a dusty empty lot. By the way, if these engineers, designers and managers can't sell enough spaces to residents, maybe they should rethink ways to make the building a reality. Maybe a Hotel on the upper floors, with 5 observation levels, condos in the middle, then office space at the bottom. Might be easier to sell to multiple sources, not just weathy homeowners.

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Old September 23rd, 2009, 03:00 AM   #8952
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There's a DICK's Last Resort NEAR THE SPIRE! They got me good on my last visit to Myrtle Beach. They put a giant paper condom on my head with the words "I blew Bubbles when I was a kid" on it. Then they put one on my friend across the table that said "Hi, I'm Bubbles".
And your point is? Having a DICK's certainly does NOT affect the building in any way. All it shows is stupid people live and visit everywhere! How long the world anyone thinks DICK's is an enjoyable place to visit needs to get a life.
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I think the direct highway access makes the Spire an even better location for a tourist trap.
That's a perfect reason not to add an observation deck. They want to make the building a classy place to live, not a dive tourist trap.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 02:54 PM   #8953
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Wow, personal attacks on what was supposed to be funny. You are correct about stupid people.

So, given the choice: A) A classy place to live (that does not exist) or B) A mixed used building (that does exist), which would you chose?
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 03:17 PM   #8954
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Wow, personal attacks on what was supposed to be funny. You are correct about stupid people.

So, given the choice: A) A classy place to live (that does not exist) or B) A mixed used building (that does exist), which would you chose?
I never mentioned anything about a mixed use building. I only commented on the idea of adding an observation deck and making it a tourist area.

The idea of making it a mixed use building has some merit. The only problem I see is that the condominiums that were sold were sold based on it being an entire residential tower, how many of those sales would be lost if this concept was changed?
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 04:19 PM   #8955
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The Burj Dubai area was built from scratch on acres of free land. With an area like that, you can take the necessary technical precautions to create an adapt environment. The Spire will (hopefully) rise on a piece of land extremely small.

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I dont think we need more proof to understand this discussion is seriously pointless. I'm sure the people in charge, the engineers, designers and managers have taken these kind of things into consideration before spending millions, and have nothing to learn (in this regard) from random posts on a forum. No?
You might be right in your explanation that Burj Dubai has more land area than ChicagoSpire but the scale of those images is wrong.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 04:26 PM   #8956
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I personally think a lot of people would walk away from the project if their personal 'deal' was changed. The guy who paid $40 million probably has a very high floor. If they were to tell him sorry, we are moving you from floor 125 down to 75, he would bail, or renegotiate the price. But, think about telling him here is your money back, the building is cancelled. Which is worse?
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 04:40 PM   #8957
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Moving from 125 to 75 depends on the reason why he so much needed the 125th floor.The worse should be telling the guy to have his money back after putting all effort to make sure he gets a topmost floor in the building.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 09:31 PM   #8958
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You might be right
No "might". There are two pictures that show two different realities. There is no doubt in what you see. It's not an opinion or an abstract concept. It's there, it's a fact. There is nothing to add to it.

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but the scale of those images is wrong.
That does not subtract any information to the explanation. It would be useless to have a representation of a larger area of the Chicago Spire to make a comparison. The image shown clearly explains the point stated before. A picture that shows more area of Chicago would simply show more buildings. The area directly in contact with the construction sight is what we are interested with. And with The Chicago Spire, out of 4 sides, 2 are limited by the river, 1 by a highway and 1 by a residential complex.

With the Burj Dubai area, a closer view would have been sufficient to prove my point. A bigger area shown in the picture simply adds to the correctness of the statement.

In brief: your comment was pointless and created by a severely flawed logic. Don't think there is anything else to add.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 01:38 AM   #8959
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I personally think a lot of people would walk away from the project if their personal 'deal' was changed. The guy who paid $40 million probably has a very high floor. If they were to tell him sorry, we are moving you from floor 125 down to 75, he would bail, or renegotiate the price. But, think about telling him here is your money back, the building is cancelled. Which is worse?
That was Ty Warner, he bought the 2 level penthouse on the 141st and 142nd floors.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 02:00 AM   #8960
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You might be right in your explanation that Burj Dubai has more land area than ChicagoSpire but the scale of those images is wrong.
if by scale, you mean how much it is zoomed in, they are actually at the same zoom level. I looked myself, and I was quite surprised, because it makes the Chicago Spire plot seem very small!
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