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Old April 25th, 2007, 04:15 AM   #1081
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Either way this baby is being built, with construction starting within the next couple of months.
Don't get your hopes up. Approvals are just a formality in much of Chicago. The real test will be if this building is financial viable and if the developer is able to find financing for later stages of construction.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 04:18 AM   #1082
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AWESOME!!!! I'm so happy that is becoming reality now!

BTW, I'm curious how deep will they dig to construct this tower?
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Old April 25th, 2007, 04:18 AM   #1083
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so what is the etiquitte here? trump certainly doesn't have to put a picture of chicago spire, still speculative and coming on line, if possible, after trump tower is up in its promotional material.

but if and when chgo spire goes up, trump (and waterview) will be there on the skyline; shouldn't they be in the promo shots?
A rendering is a marketing tool designed to sell/rent units. Consequently, it's routine for developers not to include certain buildings, even buildings that are immediately adjacent. And in light of some of the snipes Trump has taken at Carley, Kelleher, and CS in general, it's not surprising Kelleher wouldn't want Trump's shiny new building put into these renderings.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 04:44 AM   #1084
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I dug a little deeper into secondary data from Wikipedia.org and realized that the Chicago Plan Commission approved the final plans of the Chicago Spire around the 19th of April 2007. [30][9][35] Now if Chicago's zoning committee approves the tower on 26 April 2007, the final vote will go before the Chicago City Council on 9 May 2007, the last step in the political approval process.

Either way this baby is being built, with construction starting within the next couple of months.
not months.. i think it's weeks because if they said that the construction will start in SPRING, so they're going to start in a couple of week because summer is coming..
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Old April 25th, 2007, 06:45 AM   #1085
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No, it's less complicated than that. Adding all the U/C buildings adds a lot of time, since you have to work with other developers' released renderings and scale, skew them etc. to fit the scene.

Or, if you're doing the 3d thing, it means those buildings are not in your dataset because they are not complete. That means you have to start them from scratch.

It's purely a function of time and cost that these prominent future buildings are omitted, not competition.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 08:23 AM   #1086
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It'll probably be at the beginning of June, because after city council approval it may take up to a month before they get all of the proper permits.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 08:44 AM   #1087
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BTW, I'm curious how deep will they dig to construct this tower?
I was wondering the same thing.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 09:21 AM   #1088
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Thankyou for posting those renders Kyle.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 09:31 AM   #1089
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WOOHHOO THATS A NICE PROJECT, REALLY ORIGINAL

THANKS FOR THE RENDERS KNGKYLE, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE
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Old April 25th, 2007, 02:37 PM   #1090
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More questions (and answers) about Calatrava spire

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...,5755543.story

ARCHITECTURE NOTES

More questions (and answers) about Calatrava spire

By Blair Kamin
Tribune architecture critic
Published April 25, 2007


As architect Santiago Calatrava's plan for the Chicago Spire heads to likely approval at the City Council's zoning committee Thursday, readers are sharing their thoughts, questions and criticisms about the twisting, 150-story condominium tower, which would be the nation's tallest building.

Several readers pejoratively liken the supertall tower to a part of the male anatomy. Others, usually more positive about the design, favor the metaphor of a drill bit or a screw. Still others are asking fresh questions about the proposed skyscraper, which is slated to rise west of Lake Shore Drive and on the north bank of the Chicago River.

One of them is Dan Baldwin, an avid sailor who lives in Chicago's Old Town neighborhood. Baldwin wonders if the Spire would be visible from the Michigan shoreline across Lake Michigan. Sailors, he says, can already see Sears Tower from about halfway across the lake.

Noting that the Spire would be taller than Sears (550 feet taller, to be exact) and located along the lakefront rather than on the west side of downtown, as Sears is, Baldwin predicts: "You won't need a GPS or even a compass to sail across the lake to Chicago."

It's an interesting point: As the destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001 underscored, people get their bearings, both physical and psychological, from skyscrapers, just as they once must have done with church spires. Seen through Baldwin's eyes, the Spire wouldn't simply be a skyscraper; it would be a kind of lighthouse.

Speaking of light, Paul Borzo of St. Paul, Minn., asks whether the latest renderings of the Spire display a spire atop the building or a thin beam of light that would be turned on at night.

Answer: A beam of light.

Calatrava said in an interview last Wednesday that the light could change colors to mark holidays -- green for St. Patrick's Day, for example. Lights atop Sears Tower, the John Hancock Center and other skyscrapers around the nation, such as New York's Empire State Building, already practice this festive custom.

Borzo isn't entirely happy with that response and he isn't alone, judging by the comments I've received.

In an e-mail, he commented: "I'll probably look at the tower mostly at night when I visit because it doesn't look complete without a spire!"

He clearly belongs to the Daley School of Architecture. In 2005, Mayor Richard M. Daley ordered developer Donald Trump to put a spire atop his heretofore flat-topped Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago.

Should that happen again here?

I don't think so.

In the architectural model Calatrava showed the Chicago Plan Commission last week, the Spire's design in an integrated whole, twisting elegantly to its tiplike top. No add-on necessary.

Speaking of the mayor, many readers have asked whether the Spire would be a green building, in keeping with Daley's agenda of promoting environmentally-sensitive architecture.

Answer: It would.

The Spire would meet the gold standard of the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design rating system. Gold is the second highest LEED rating after platinum.

A press release from the project's developer, Dublin-based Garrett Kelleher, says the gold rating "dictates among other things that rainwater be recycled for landscaping treatments, river water be used for cooling and special glass be included to protect migratory birds."

Kelleher wants to begin construction on the Spire this spring, with completion expected in 2010. However, he has not released the total cost of the project, nor has he divulged the per-square-foot costs of the 1,200 condominium units the Spire will house. Skeptics say Kelleher lacks the finances to get the project off the ground or may be forced to stop midway through construction for lack of funds.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #1091
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More questions (and answers) about Calatrava spire

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...,5755543.story

ARCHITECTURE NOTES

More questions (and answers) about Calatrava spire

By Blair Kamin
Tribune architecture critic
Published April 25, 2007


As architect Santiago Calatrava's plan for the Chicago Spire heads to likely approval at the City Council's zoning committee Thursday, readers are sharing their thoughts, questions and criticisms about the twisting, 150-story condominium tower, which would be the nation's tallest building.

Several readers pejoratively liken the supertall tower to a part of the male anatomy. Others, usually more positive about the design, favor the metaphor of a drill bit or a screw. Still others are asking fresh questions about the proposed skyscraper, which is slated to rise west of Lake Shore Drive and on the north bank of the Chicago River.

One of them is Dan Baldwin, an avid sailor who lives in Chicago's Old Town neighborhood. Baldwin wonders if the Spire would be visible from the Michigan shoreline across Lake Michigan. Sailors, he says, can already see Sears Tower from about halfway across the lake.

Noting that the Spire would be taller than Sears (550 feet taller, to be exact) and located along the lakefront rather than on the west side of downtown, as Sears is, Baldwin predicts: "You won't need a GPS or even a compass to sail across the lake to Chicago."

It's an interesting point: As the destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001 underscored, people get their bearings, both physical and psychological, from skyscrapers, just as they once must have done with church spires. Seen through Baldwin's eyes, the Spire wouldn't simply be a skyscraper; it would be a kind of lighthouse.

Speaking of light, Paul Borzo of St. Paul, Minn., asks whether the latest renderings of the Spire display a spire atop the building or a thin beam of light that would be turned on at night.

Answer: A beam of light.

Calatrava said in an interview last Wednesday that the light could change colors to mark holidays -- green for St. Patrick's Day, for example. Lights atop Sears Tower, the John Hancock Center and other skyscrapers around the nation, such as New York's Empire State Building, already practice this festive custom.

Borzo isn't entirely happy with that response and he isn't alone, judging by the comments I've received.

In an e-mail, he commented: "I'll probably look at the tower mostly at night when I visit because it doesn't look complete without a spire!"

He clearly belongs to the Daley School of Architecture. In 2005, Mayor Richard M. Daley ordered developer Donald Trump to put a spire atop his heretofore flat-topped Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago.

Should that happen again here?

I don't think so.

In the architectural model Calatrava showed the Chicago Plan Commission last week, the Spire's design in an integrated whole, twisting elegantly to its tiplike top. No add-on necessary.

Speaking of the mayor, many readers have asked whether the Spire would be a green building, in keeping with Daley's agenda of promoting environmentally-sensitive architecture.

Answer: It would.

The Spire would meet the gold standard of the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design rating system. Gold is the second highest LEED rating after platinum.

A press release from the project's developer, Dublin-based Garrett Kelleher, says the gold rating "dictates among other things that rainwater be recycled for landscaping treatments, river water be used for cooling and special glass be included to protect migratory birds."

Kelleher wants to begin construction on the Spire this spring, with completion expected in 2010. However, he has not released the total cost of the project, nor has he divulged the per-square-foot costs of the 1,200 condominium units the Spire will house. Skeptics say Kelleher lacks the finances to get the project off the ground or may be forced to stop midway through construction for lack of funds.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 02:49 PM   #1092
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congrats chicago, this is a pretty brave decision I think, but it will pay off!
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Old April 25th, 2007, 03:28 PM   #1093
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Finally. Good one! A new mega-tall to watch rise in the future.

BTW Thanks for posting those superb renders Kngkyle. I love scrolling the page up & down - it's really effective. *twirls*

The huge base of the tower and plaza area with water feature look so wonderful.....& they will be, knowing Calatrava's work. Beautiful!
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Old April 25th, 2007, 03:49 PM   #1094
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Oops. Someone forgot to tell the renderer that trucks are forbidden on Lake Shore Drive.
Don't they go to McCormick place through Lake Shore???

Anyway, I can't wait for it to be build
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Old April 25th, 2007, 03:55 PM   #1095
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Not pre selling raises an alarm for me. I love this building as well as Chicago. I really hope Chicago does not end up with it's version of TO's BA stump.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 04:35 PM   #1096
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Ive seen pictures of chicago through the clouds..only the supertalls tall enough to show through, and it looks amazing. this spire poking through the clouds in that shot would be legendary stuff.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 05:15 PM   #1097
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It's purely a function of time and cost that these prominent future buildings are omitted, not competition.
I see your point, but do you think that even if Kelleher had both the time and money to include Trump he would've done so?
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Old April 25th, 2007, 07:21 PM   #1098
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Does anyone know more info about the bridge. In the renderings the bridge looks problematic in a few areas. First, it looks to low to allow ships to pass under it. Second, it also looks immoveable. I understand some detail may be left out, but If this is the case, and there arent any missing deails I dont think this is the bridge that will actually get built.
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Does anyone know more info about the bridge. In the renderings the bridge looks problematic in a few areas. First, it looks to low to allow ships to pass under it. Second, it also looks immoveable. I understand some detail may be left out, but If this is the case, and there arent any missing deails I dont think this is the bridge that will actually get built.
Im not sure if money has been set aside yet for the bridge. Someone else can tell you more but the bridge would swing out to let boats pass through. Of course, as opposed to lifting up.
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About the money: In Valencia we already know that we must put a "Calatrava coeficient" on costs that goes between 1,5 and 2 and must be applied in the projected costs to obtain the final costs.
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